Snoofed
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i really have talked to a lot of people about this: the quality of gathers has really gone down i honestly believe that we should impliment a "div1 gather" with invite section of the gather list. i know A LOT of players (myself included) who just do NOT play gathers anymore. remember when we had 3 gathers going over the winter? what HAPPENED TO THAT?
let's discuss ideas/implementation here. i know there are a lot of people who also think gathers are unplayable right now.
SpookerZ
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there is no highskill anymore
nazi hunter izO
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^ crazy
agreed though, we all would love to play in our OWN skill level and be able to depend on other players.
also, phone you need to add something to your first sentence there..
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3Port no Obs
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since we already have 'casual' gathers, why not.
the gather menu looks lonely kappa
ready for phase two, roll it out quick boys
edit: this can't possibly come soon enough. two months ago would be ideal.
Team Awesome
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This might be needed. Not sure how you are going to do the invite only part of it. So you link everyone's account that is currently in div 1 to allow them to access the div 1 gather area, right? That would work, but how is the invite only system going to work? There has to be a way to assess people's skills or have some kind of criteria because otherwise it's just friends of people. You could have the admins vote on if that person is skilled enough to play in the div 1 gather. Not sure what you'll come up with.
Also, perhaps when this update is made on the next patch - possibly look into adding a feature that if you join one gather, you are not allowed to join another one without leaving the other one first.
I don't think it would be good if div 1 players were joining the normal gather because there wasn't enough high skilled players around and then switch to div 1 gather because it starts to fill and still be in the other gather. Just make it so you can only join 1 at a time. Also, the casual 7 v 7 gather probably isn't needed if this update is made. Just 2 6 v 6 gathers: one div 1 and one normal.
tokyo drifters
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the way I envision it is participants can send temporary invites (you know, click button, it generates a one-time use link. player opens it, his esl account is given permission to join one gather)
easily loggable so anybody trolling can have their invite privilege removed.
JUST THE TIP
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are there even enough people left for this to work ? Won't most of those players be scrimming at potential gather times anyway? Seems to me with the pool of ppl that are left, you need people outside of div 1 to fill the gaps to get 12.
Alienating part of the already tiny community is an aweful idea.
It would just become another golden gather, where if you're buddies with the guy that can give out invites, you can get in. But you're shit out of luck if you aren't.
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Does anyone actually read what phonee says? The first comment I saw from him was very long and after I got a way through it I realized it was nonsensical.
Does phonee have any self awareness at all for the state of the player base and their own self inflated worth?
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I think people would enjoy playing these mixes or call it high skill gathers. Just remove the 7v7 casual gather, because no one will ever play these.
I personally wanted a "ranked" high skill gather to give people a nice offseason activity or just something to queue up for and tryhard to get a high ranking on the "ranked gather leaderboards".
Not sure about the playerbase being sufficient for a ranked gather system but I feel like it´s a nice idea. Like to hear what you guys think.
There does seem to be an epidemic of bad players who are just dead weight ruining gathers nowadays. I have noticed a lot of people that used to gather regularly just don't gather anymore. So whether or not you have high skill gathers, a portion of the community will be alienated from gathers. The problem with having high skill gathers though is it may kill normal skill gathers, which will alienate people in div 2 and div 3 who are not necessarily part of the problem. Also there is the question of those that aren't good shots, but have friends in high places. I can foresee these people getting invited to the high skill gathers simply because they are friends, while more talented players sit in a never filling normal gather. IMO, a not perfect, but far more fair option, would be to institute a way to give gather players mob rule. Player-voted temporary gather bans could be a good way to get the people who completely ruin gathers (one way or another) out before it even starts. Of course this can be abused, but IMO it's a far better option than establishing high skill gathers, killing off normal skill gathers, and alienating all the medium/low skill nsl players, all because certain people kill gathers.
nazi hunter izO
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make it work the way turts proposed it and everything's going to be fine
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Id say folk from lower div, like me, who are wiling to learn can benefit greatly from gathers.
Sadly I see much more problems with gathers then just skill.
How about the oceans of time needed to start a gather.
And then even more oceans of time to actual get the gather rolling due to afk's, ppl unable to connect or whatever random reason.
People not checking who can do what role, while the pick menu has those clear and lovely icons.. And then complain they lack certain roles in their team.
Right now the gathers in general are not inviting and often on the same disaster level as pubs, but with triple the wait time.
And you want to lower the chance of getting gathers even more by splitting up the gather community?
Why on earth would lower div even bother to keep checking for gathers then.
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Div 1 gather option? I honestly don't think people realize that it really won't be used that often. Even when Golden Gathers were a thing, it was hard to get enough people do make them happen... and most of the time we used people from other divisions to fill in.
Turts' idea is more of a Make Your Own Gather option where an invite system is used. This really doesn't need to be 'high skill' and what-not. It's probably harder to develop but would work better. A pure high skill gather system would alienate part of the community as Bruno pointed out earlier.
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It already splits the community. I often won't join a gather if no one better than me is in it. Sometimes all I want is to play NS2 and join regardless, but I generally try not to. Sometimes I just want to play and sometimes I want to take a game a bit more seriously.
Proposal: Have an option for "serious" gathers that anyone can still join. Employ harsh punishment criteria (lengthy bans) for failing to cooperate appropriately.
Translation:
I join gather after work --> "yay"
I join gather drunk @ 2am --> I get banned for a while
