Hey Guys CalTech Here to Provide you all with some Sick behind the scenes NSL drama that Shoulda Stayed Behind Closed Doors, First up the Pastebins, next the actual Paste.

http://pastebin.com/RZp8fZdg
http://pastebin.com/upfv3rDX

[12:40 PM] CRaZyCAT: @here can somebody tell me pls? does ns2_mesh (docking2) in map pool or not?
[12:41 PM] phone: it's not
[12:41 PM] phone: grand finals should be replayed in div1
[12:41 PM] phone: since hera carried merc with CUSTOM sound files to gain an advantage
[12:41 PM] phone: and we played a map not in the map pool
[12:41 PM] phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kwUUt5zWC8
YouTube
HeraklesFR
Pressure2


[12:42 PM] phone: @Tico @Zavaro
[12:42 PM] phone: is this fair?
[12:42 PM] phone: merc that carried all 4 rounds with custom sound files to hear aliens and marines footsteps without fall off?
[12:42 PM] phone: i even denied the merc multiple times
[12:44 PM] Ixian: That video is almost a year old dude xx)
[12:50 PM] Zavaro: and this happened in a recent match as well?
[12:51 PM] Ixian: This video doesnt seem to have stereo either
[12:56 PM] phone: yes we can only assume
[12:56 PM] phone: he plays liek this all the time
[12:56 PM] phone: the recent match was the div1 grand finals
[12:56 PM] Starcetereus: if you denied him multiple times, why did he play?
[12:57 PM] phone: no idea, they just bullied me
[12:57 PM] phone: and said that they could do it
[12:57 PM] Starcetereus: everyone who was watching agreed the hera merc was retarded
[12:57 PM] Starcetereus: placeholder are just niggerfaggots tbh
[12:58 PM] phone: placeholder claimed that "they couldnt get anyone else because they DIDTN wanna play with anyone else"
[12:58 PM] phone: also they had a ROSTERED PLAYER
[12:58 PM] phone: AVAILABLE TO PLAY
[12:58 PM] phone: the whole time
[12:59 PM] Starcetereus: placeholders faggotry is one of the reasons my team said "fuck it" and left
[12:59 PM] Starcetereus: the game gets really boring when the only active team thats around your skill level is placeholder
[1:04 PM] phone: http://www.ensl.org/teams/963
[1:05 PM] phone: rostered player meghan
[1:05 PM] phone: https://www.twitch.tv/gold_n/v/108091607?t=25m30s
Twitch
Finals Match

[1:05 PM] phone: in golden's chat
[1:05 PM] phone: while finals are being played
[1:05 PM] phone: and still they get the BEST merc in the game
[1:05 PM] phone: after i denied it
[1:05 PM] phone: @Deck
[1:05 PM] phone: hope you've seen this Thanks.
[1:05 PM] Starcetereus: gotem
[1:06 PM] Starcetereus: (c) The player(s) must be of equivalent or lower skill than the rest of the replacement's team. A quick parameter to determine a substitute’s eligibility may be the division of the team that player belongs, but may not be sufficient. A referee or admin can determine a player’s suitability.
[1:07 PM] Starcetereus: pretty sure herakles > meghan
[1:07 PM] phone: 6. Substitutions
The intention of substitute players is to allow teams, that cannot field 6 players, the ability to play their matches. It is NOT to be used to bolster the skill of a team’s roster.
(a) Substitute players must follow the player guidelines in Section 5.
(b) Teams in Division 1 may substitute up to one (1) player, not from their roster for use during a match. Teams in Division 2, 3, and 4 may substitute up to two (2) players.
(c) The player(s) must be of equivalent or lower skill than the rest of the replacement's team. A quick parameter to determine a substitute’s eligibility may be the division of the team that player belongs, but may not be sufficient. A referee or admin can determine a player’s suitability.
[1:07 PM] phone: yeah
[1:07 PM] phone: thanks
[1:07 PM] phone: star
[1:07 PM] phone: Hera > ALL OF PLACEHOLDER
[1:07 PM] phone: is the real fucking issue
[1:07 PM] Starcetereus: by far
[1:07 PM] phone: and they claim that "YPSI shoots just as well as hera"
[1:08 PM] Starcetereus: herakles carries in both skill and calls
[1:08 PM] phone: yeah shooting the same % is 1 thing, but carrying with calls and strats is another
[1:08 PM] Deck: placeholder dq due to hera, phone team didn't win, therefore i am the winner of season 10
[1:08 PM] Starcetereus: lol alf&sons season 10 champion
[1:09 PM] Deck: did they really need hera as a merc though
[1:09 PM] Starcetereus: not with meghan (a rostered member) available
[1:09 PM] Deck: i guess not having ypsi or wob they thought they would be at a disadvantage
[1:09 PM] Deck: which makes some sense, but yes they got the best player in the game perhaps to merc
[1:10 PM] Deck: phone did get a great merc himself
[1:10 PM] Starcetereus: asdf is bad
[1:10 PM] Deck: and you guys were in that 2nd round until you decided not to bite res
[1:10 PM] Deck: yea i didn't see many hero plays out of seize's team
[1:10 PM] Deck: except for ydy
[1:11 PM] Starcetereus: imo the referee should have stepped in after phone denied hera merc multiple times
[1:11 PM] Deck: the thing is
[1:11 PM] Deck: its hard to deny a merc in div 1
[1:11 PM] Starcetereus: but i guess thats par for the course
[1:12 PM] Deck: but yes getting hera is kinda a low blow
[1:12 PM] Starcetereus: an extrememly disappointing end to a disappointing season
[1:12 PM] Deck: i mean would it have made much different if ypsi or wob was there, i dont k now
[1:13 PM] Deck: hera does make his team much better
[1:13 PM] Deck: he gets ok gather teams to win
[1:13 PM] Starcetereus: placeholder can only win when they have hera merc for them
[1:13 PM] Starcetereus: thats the way it was in every scrim
[1:14 PM] Deck: well it wasnt a perfect scenario, but it was 1 merc, it is div 1, you should probably play any player available first
[1:14 PM] Deck: hard to prove that
[1:14 PM] Deck: obviously infamous didn't want to lose
[1:14 PM] Deck: hera showing up for a final feels off
[1:14 PM] Starcetereus: but the rules explicitly state that the sub cant be better than the average skill of a team
[1:15 PM] Starcetereus: thats subjective ofc, but it is without a doubt a fact that hera is better than the average placeholder player
[1:15 PM] Deck: i wasn't the ref, i'm guessing the ref was trying to keep the peace and when asdf was decided as the other merc
[1:15 PM] Deck: phone backed off
[1:15 PM] Deck: but maybe he didn't
[1:15 PM] Deck: yea
[1:15 PM] Deck: it's hard to beat zafod and hera shooting on the same team
[1:15 PM] Deck: and hera's calls on aliens
[1:16 PM] Deck: it's very relaxing for infamous to be on that team
[1:16 PM] Starcetereus: no one on placeholder knows how to make a good playcall, which is why the hera merc was such a stack imo
[1:16 PM] Starcetereus: best shooter, and can coordinate them
[1:17 PM] Starcetereus: wihtout hera they get playcalls from infamous
[1:19 PM] Deck: they don't have to worry as much when they have a great shooter roaming aroudn the map
[1:19 PM] Deck: which is how radio got picked
[1:19 PM] Deck: and yea i agree with y ou that hera seems wrong
[1:19 PM] Deck: but its also hard to deny a div 1 merc, so it's a tough call either way
[1:19 PM] Deck: this is kinda like the season where simba was mercing for hera's team
[1:19 PM] Deck: and titus didn't want to l et simba merc
[1:20 PM] Deck: as they knew that was their best chance to win, i also think simba was on another team at the time
[1:21 PM] Deck: so hera's team was obvioulsy getting the best com they could in the game
[1:21 PM] Deck: so they wouldn't lose
[1:21 PM] Starcetereus: imo after phone denied hera multiple times, the ref should have sided with phone because those are the rules and its obvious that hera would carry them, and placeholder should have got a lower skill merc, because again, those are the rules
[1:22 PM] Deck: perhaps, im guessing the ref was trying to not deny a merc in that situation which i understand and trying to make it work. We should have made a not available to merc in final list
[1:22 PM] Starcetereus: i think the refs just as much to blame as placeholder for getting a carry merc
[1:23 PM] Deck: the ref i'm guessing was under the impression that it's hard to deny a merc in that situation. so yea perhaps that is the rule and it needs to be discussed and taht is kinda subjective
[1:23 PM] Deck: im sure it doenst feel as good for them
[1:23 PM] Deck: winning with a carry merc player
[1:24 PM] phone: [1:15 PM] Deck: i wasn't the ref, i'm guessing the ref was trying to keep the peace and when asdf was decided as the other merc
[1:15 PM] Deck: phone backed off
[1:24 PM] phone: stop
[1:24 PM] phone: saying shit
[1:24 PM] phone: liek this
[1:24 PM] phone: there was no contention
[1:24 PM] phone: of my merc
[1:24 PM] phone: asdf is probaby equivalent skill of joshhhy
[1:24 PM] Starcetereus: yeah asdf was in no way shape or form a carry merc
[1:24 PM] phone: and they didnt
[1:24 PM] phone: say ANYHTING abuot my merc
[1:24 PM] phone: if they DID say anyhtign about my merc
[1:24 PM] phone: i would have tried to get a different one
[1:24 PM] Deck: well i wasnt in the conversation, i was just guessing
[1:24 PM] phone: u cant just posthumerously
[1:24 PM] phone: ya sTOP Guessing
[1:24 PM] phone: thats not how you make a decisison
[1:25 PM] Deck: yea well who were you talking to at the time
[1:25 PM] Deck: knox?
[1:25 PM] phone: ya knox was admin at the time
[1:25 PM] Deck: he made it sound like everything was good
[1:25 PM] phone: and i said it in HIS FACE
[1:25 PM] phone: that i didnt want hera to play
[1:25 PM] Deck: so did you allow it at the end or did he just go let's start it up
[1:26 PM] Deck: i mean somehow it got started

[1:26 PM] phone: i consistently said
[1:26 PM] phone: that i woudltn want him to play
[1:26 PM] phone: but it was litearlly
[1:26 PM] phone: 2:30 by the time we started
[1:26 PM] Deck: 45 min delay i believe
[1:26 PM] Deck: or more
[1:26 PM] phone: and i was pressured by everyone
[1:26 PM] Deck: yea
[1:26 PM] phone: to fucking
[1:26 PM] phone: play the GAME TODAY
[1:26 PM] phone: even though
[1:26 PM] phone: i wasnt feeling well
[1:26 PM] phone: my back wwas thrown out by an injury
[1:27 PM] phone: and i couldnt even get my 6
[1:27 PM] Deck: yea well perhaps we can have a discussion about this as admins and see what to do regarding this
[1:27 PM] phone: replay the match
[1:27 PM] phone: at a later date
[1:27 PM] phone: like i wanted
[1:27 PM] phone: like i said
[1:27 PM] phone: 15 fucking times
[1:28 PM] phone: look @ the match page
[1:28 PM] phone: http://www.ensl.org/matches/6377
[1:28 PM] phone: is this a confirmation?
[1:28 PM] phone: mega telling me to confirm on ensl match page
[1:28 PM] phone: inf teling me to confirm
[1:28 PM] phone: knox saying i have confirmed
[1:28 PM] phone: what a fuckign HOAX(edited)
[1:29 PM] Starcetereus: a fitting end for this season tbhj fam
[1:29 PM] phone: there was even a MAP That's not supposed to be in the MAP POOL palyed int he finals
[1:29 PM] Deck: well i wish i was in the ocnversation but dont know
[1:29 PM] Deck: i was trying to give you guys a chance to play
[1:29 PM] phone: like waht the actual fuck is this enforcement
[1:29 PM] Deck: because i figured thats what everyone wanted
[1:29 PM] Deck: that's why i conceded so you didnt have to wait a month or 2 to play but yes infamous was pushing his agenda
[1:29 PM] Deck: on everyone
[1:30 PM] Starcetereus: so many rules broken in the DIV 1 GRAND FINALS LOL
[1:30 PM] Deck: so basically you're admitting
[1:30 PM] Deck: you picked that map to troll
[1:30 PM] Deck: or to show how silly it all was
[1:30 PM] Deck: i'm guessing the map list was provided from something that was set up
[1:31 PM] Deck: and no one played that map because it wasn't ready but it was probably never removed from some list
[1:31 PM] Deck: you didn't have to play it, that was a troll move
[1:31 PM] Starcetereus: 7. Maps
(a) The maps in the current season’s regular rotation will be:
(i) ns2_biodome
(ii) ns2_descent
(iii) ns2_jambi
(iv) ns2_summit
(v) ns2_tram
(vi) ns2_veil
(vii) ns2_nexus
(viii) ns2_mineral
(ix) ns2_docking2
[1:31 PM] phone: i was PROVIDED
[1:31 PM] phone: A MAP LIST
[1:31 PM] Deck: and phone you should have just said you didn't want to play and move the match
[1:31 PM] phone: BY IXIAN
[1:32 PM] Deck: which you probably did
[1:32 PM] phone: I CANT JUST SAY I DONT WANAN PLAY
[1:32 PM] phone: because i did
[1:32 PM] phone: 50 times
[1:32 PM] phone: and i was ognna get forfeited
[1:32 PM] Deck: i dont think so, infamous puts pressure on people when he wants something
[1:32 PM] Deck: which i guess was that badge
[1:32 PM] Deck: but i dont think you were in danger of having to forfeit
[1:32 PM] Deck: unless someone told you that
[1:32 PM] Deck: i thought yuou scheduled it with infamous
[1:32 PM] Deck: because that time worked for you
[1:33 PM] Starcetereus: i can verify that infamous pressures the fuck out of people when he wants them to do something
[1:33 PM] Starcetereus: poor @nights has been pressured into accepting several scrim requests from infamous lol
[1:33 PM] Deck: yea i guess he talked me into forfeiting but i think that was the right move based on the state of my team, but i do think you should have moved the match
[1:33 PM] Deck: iof you weren't feeling well
[1:34 PM] Deck: as obviously that sucks
[1:34 PM] Deck: there will be discussion on this, it's hard to redo a game
[1:34 PM] Deck: not saying it can't happen
[1:35 PM] Deck: the question is, does infamous feel good about all this
[1:35 PM] Starcetereus: just say fuck it and dont count it as the div 1 finals, its not like theres a div 1 for which to have finals for anyway
[1:35 PM] phone: just extend season
[1:35 PM] phone: play a real finals
[1:35 PM] phone: with actually all members of both teams present
[1:35 PM] Deck: it was watched by a decent amount of poeple
[1:35 PM] Deck: there was interest
[1:35 PM] phone: instead of this hogwash
[1:35 PM] Deck: that 2nd round was great
[1:35 PM] phone: ya andlike
[1:35 PM] phone: if the TEAMS were even
[1:35 PM] phone: we could have had more maps
[1:35 PM] phone: more games
[1:35 PM] phone: intense finals
[1:36 PM] phone: the games were still kinda alright
[1:36 PM] phone: but there was always that looming feeling
[1:36 PM] phone: that hera is carrying
[1:36 PM] Deck: i do think not having joshhy shooting on your team
[1:36 PM] Starcetereus: placeholder runs around like a chicken with its head cut off when they dont have hera merc for them, thats a fact
[1:36 PM] phone: and calling shit
[1:36 PM] Deck: and playing hera is a huge advantage to that team
[1:36 PM] phone: like i woulda had my Solid 6
[1:36 PM] phone: joshhhyyy schu
[1:36 PM] Deck: if you have joshhy and no hera and another merc, much better match
[1:36 PM] phone: instead i forced myself to play with
[1:37 PM] phone: asdf and radio
[1:37 PM] phone: and they couldnt find ANYONE else
[1:37 PM] phone: becuase they claimed "i dont wanna play with badS"
[1:37 PM] phone: essentially
[1:37 PM] phone: "they dont know our strategies"
[1:37 PM] phone: liek ... are you fuckgin kidding me?
[1:37 PM] phone: knox is just there in the voice channel
[1:37 PM] phone: accepting it all
[1:37 PM] Starcetereus: >placeholder
>strategies
>bubba comm
lol
[1:37 PM] phone: so im thinkin well guess IM GETTITNG FUCKED TODAY
[1:37 PM] phone: and i stop giving a shit about finals
[1:37 PM] phone: i VETO TRAM AND VEIL
[1:37 PM] phone: and i pick docking2
[1:38 PM] Deck: with a non textured room
[1:38 PM] Deck: and that painful top hive
[1:38 PM] Deck: to push
[1:38 PM] Deck: which alwasy sucks
[1:38 PM] Deck: i hate trying to push that room as marines
[1:38 PM] Deck: but yea
[1:38 PM] Deck: i understand
[1:38 PM] Deck: at hte time you werent happy
[1:38 PM] Deck: but its hard to stop the infamous train of this needs to happen
[1:38 PM] Deck: or the world is going to blow up
[1:39 PM] Starcetereus: i would like to point out that on the twitch stream, herakles was in twitch chat saying "phone let me merc you bitch"
[1:39 PM] Deck: i mean the thing about mercs in div 1 is
[1:39 PM] Deck: hera could just as easily been on that team to start with
[1:39 PM] Starcetereus: might provde insight into what phone was dealing with
[1:39 PM] Deck: but i understand your points
[1:39 PM] Deck: and yes, he's th emost carry merc of all time
[1:40 PM] Deck: even against great teams
[1:40 PM] Starcetereus: he could have been on placeholder, but wasnt
[1:40 PM] Starcetereus: therefore he could have been denied for being much higher skill than their average skill level
[1:40 PM] Starcetereus: and was several times
[1:41 PM] Deck: i'll talk to knox which i guess approved all this, it does feel like an asterisk type ending
[1:41 PM] Starcetereus: again, ref/admin/whatever should have stepped in and sided with phone at the time
[1:41 PM] Deck: a mark mcguire type ending
[1:41 PM] Deck: maybe barry bonds
[1:41 PM] Deck: yes
[1:41 PM] Deck: i mean it would have been an awkard moment
[1:41 PM] Starcetereus: im from st. louis, dont you be talkin shit on mark mcguire boi
[1:41 PM] Deck: hera cant play, find someone else
[1:41 PM] Deck: we cant find anyone else
[1:42 PM] Deck: and then there would have been a lot of complaining of course
[1:42 PM] Starcetereus: mark mcgwire is a fallen hero son
[1:42 PM] Deck: well i did like that 61 movie
[1:42 PM] Deck: or whatever it was called
[1:42 PM] Deck: and some mark stuff ive watched
[1:42 PM] Deck: and just that season of baseball was fun
[1:42 PM] Deck: but all im saying is the asterisk never feels good
[1:43 PM] Deck: it feels cheapened, you know hera and infamous don't feel amazing about this
[1:43 PM] Deck: it's not like hera toppled a great team that he earned a victory against
[1:43 PM] Deck: he just showed up and collected the gold
[1:43 PM] Starcetereus: i really dont think they care, as long as they get their badge
[1:43 PM] Deck: see this badge thing
[1:44 PM] Deck: its so silly
[1:44 PM] Deck: im suprised anyone cares about it
[1:44 PM] Deck: but i guess that was the point
[1:44 PM] Deck: to make people care about it
[1:44 PM] Starcetereus: infamous 05:54
when do we get our badges
[1:44 PM] Starcetereus: case and point
[1:45 PM] Deck: yea well
[1:45 PM] Deck: we have had rough endings to seasons before
[1:45 PM] Deck: at least no one is confirmed hacking
[1:45 PM] Deck: in the finals
[1:45 PM] Deck: but yes we will discuss
[1:46 PM] Starcetereus: when placeholder and edgy used to scrim regularly, they would consistently get hera to carry merc for them to try and beat us, and then bm us endlessly about the one time out of 8 rounds they beat us
[1:51 PM] Deck: yea
[1:52 PM] Deck: the thing is, it's high div play and not sure if a merc in this scenario has ever been denied before
[1:52 PM] Deck: plus he did play the match
[1:52 PM] Deck: the infamous pressure won
[2:42 PM] Keats & Yeats: who was the ref anyway
[2:43 PM] Starcetereus: The doc says ixian

@@@@@@@@@@@

this is where it ended, I then got triggered real hard

[9:43 PM] Deck: 2nd they did with the best carry merc in the game
[9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
December 20, 2016
[8:43 AM] phone: #notmyseasonchampions
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
December 20, 2016
[8:44 AM] phone: ROFL
[8:44 AM] phone: AKSLJDFKLJASDFKJASDF
[8:44 AM] phone: IT IS AGAINST THE RULES
[8:44 AM] phone: 6. Substitutions
The intention of substitute players is to allow teams, that cannot field 6 players, the ability to play their matches. It is NOT to be used to bolster the skill of a team’s roster.


[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules
[8:44 AM] phone: [9:43 PM] Deck: cheap move but not really against the rules

DRAMA CONTINUES BOYS.
lmao

#notmyseasonchampions

18:16 - it's phone, my dear: hey
18:16 - it's phone, my dear: do u have ns2 installed
18:18 - lebra: why
18:18 - it's phone, my dear: might need u for
18:18 - it's phone, my dear: s10
18:18 - it's phone, my dear: ns2 finals
18:18 - lebra: LOL
18:19 - it's phone, my dear: LoL
18:19 - it's phone, my dear: LOL
18:19 - lebra: PHONE PLS
18:19 - it's phone, my dear: i knew youd find ti funny
18:19 - it's phone, my dear: HAHAHAH
18:19 - it's phone, my dear: cMON

#humblechampions #notearsonlydreams

snip

hera's not an exception to the rule and last i checked i used to play with him, we're top div so cry is free favela

Meanwhile life and without NS2 is great, come join us sometime.

lean back and let the drama evolve

The video you point to is this one I guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kwUUt5zWC8 ?
LMAO you want those sound hacks bruh? Windows movie maker / edit / project volume / 100% TADAH instant 30% accuracy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9n0LrZWb_A

9. Cheating
(b) Cheating is considered any manipulation of server configurations, client configurations, models, skins, weapons, graphics settings, or sounds to gain an unfair advantage in game. This can also include, but is not limited to, the use of any third party program not deemed legal by the NSL.

11. Game Modifications
(a) No player may at any time use an ‘mod’ of any kind, to modify Natural Selection 2 lua script or otherwise, except:
(i) Custom cross hairs
(ii) Transparent maps
(iii) Custom map colors
(iv) Other mods that do not change game shaders, textures, models, game play logic, aim-assistance or otherwise grant unfair advantage
(v) Custom alien visions that are not included in NS2+ is expressly prohibited.

Windows movie make is a POST-PRODUCTION tool. The sound is not as he heard it in the moment. Therefore there is no dispute with the abovementioned rules.


and as a last note:
12. Disputes
(e) If there is suspected cheating involved, do not take matters into your own hands. Notify an admin.

Shut this thread down. Useless drama.

Star, nice bm. Last time I checked you went 2-2 in all of your officials and then disbanded after ragequitting the official vs Deck's team when you lost your marine round.

Phone, I got Hera to merc because he's fun to play with and we didn't see any other high skill lerks on at the time. Remember, he was replacing Wob/Ypsi. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you also lost both rounds on summit with your full roster, and we didn't have Hera mercing then. I'm disappointed if you think us having Hera is the sole reason you lost, or even a significant reason.

Not really sure what the point of this thread is.

dont shut anything down, people need a place to voice their concern over the shifty season 10 finals

[1:07 PM] Starcetereus: pretty sure herakles > meghan
You typed Herakles > Golden wrong

infamous says

Phone, I got Hera to merc because he's fun to play with and we didn't see any other high skill lerks on at the time.

implying hera is a good lerk ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

hjigh skill


ufn to play with

thi sjust Reeks

can we ban ixian from participating in this kinda discusions? he does not post benefiting stuff to it anyways

for the video: my fkn game always sounds like this cause fkn sound on maximum (don't compare to my streams as i turned sound down in obs) u say there is no falloff? listen again

now pls let the drama go on

ohh btw wob currently the player with by far highest elo ypsi on #14 herakles not even in top25 (he's #41) so where is the problem... it'S obvious hera not better then them

Whether S&D previously lost to Placeholder is irrelevant.

The intention of the substitution rule isn't to allow a team to substitute for specific lifeforms, it is to allow for a team that can't field 6 players to field six players. Placeholder has 11 registered players, at least one of which was watching Golden's twitch stream during the match. Was it really the case that *none* of them were available?

At any rate, Placeholder used a merc that is arguably more skilled than any of the players on their team, against the objections of the opposing team. The decision of whether to allow this merc came down to the admin. I think it's understandable that people feel the admin made the wrong call.

Also, I would recommend that in the future (if there is a future), we disallow mercs from participating in the grand finals. It's just lame.

Official request for additions and modifications to the rules regarding the use of mercs in finals matches.
Feel free to move this to a new thread if you want
This might be excessive, but I think it's still important.

New:
(6)(x) Substitutes may not be used in a finals match. Teams must field all six (6) positions from their current roster. Failure to do so results in a forfeit. The exception to this rule is a team with less than six (6) players on their roster that are still compliant with rule (4)(d).
Explanation:
If a team can't field a complete lineup, it's hardly a "team"

New:
(5)(x) For a finals match, each fielded player must have participated in at least one (1) official match for that team during the regular season. This rule also applies to substitutes that meet the exception to the proposed (6)(x) rule.
Explanation:
Removes ability to team-switch late in the season for a finals match and solidifies the idea of a "team" as well as removing the ability of bringing in a player that has not participated in the season thus far. (see modified (5)(e) and (4)(g) below)

Modified:
(5)(e) After the season begins, a player who joins or switches teams will be ineligible to play for that team as a member until two conditions are met; seven (7) days have passed AND the team has played at least one (1) official match with the new player as a substitute at any point during the season.
Explanation:
Solidifies the idea of a team and removes the potential abuse case:
Adding a new player to the roster who has not participated with that team during the season just before the finals match

Modified:
(4)(g) Rosters will be locked and changes are no longer permitted in the case that one (1) of the following conditions are met: there is less than one (1) week before the conclusion of the regular season for each respective division OR the team has completed all of their matches for a regular season.
Explanation:
Solidify that changes to a team's roster should not be made before a finals match.
This one is kind of moot if the above rules are accepted that add further restrictions to a finals match. Maybe there's a better way to word this or a scenario that (4)(g) could be removed entirely with the addition of the other rules.

Additional suggestions:
(2)(f) and (2)(g) need to be clarified on which one overwrites the other. Is an admin's interpretation of the rules final or can it be overridden by NSL staff at a later time?

infamous says

Star, nice bm. Last time I checked you went 2-2 in all of your officials and then disbanded after ragequitting the official vs Deck's team when you lost your marine round.

Played a mixed gather*
The team left the game 2-3 weeks prior to that to move to another game(DoW/OW)*

But cherrypicking and then distorting truth is always nice innit'.

First up, ns2_mesh (aka docking2) is in the map pool... it just wasn't a map we were forced to play during group phase. it was removed from the group phase, but was never removed from the map pool itself... if it were, then it would not still be shown in the rules as a map IN the rotation. (http://www.ensl.org/articles/913)

7. Maps
(a) The maps in the current season’s regular rotation will be:
(i) ns2_biodome
(ii) ns2_descent
(iii) ns2_jambi
(iv) ns2_summit
(v) ns2_tram
(vi) ns2_veil
(vii) ns2_nexus
(viii) ns2_mineral
(ix) ns2_docking2

If it were removed from the map pool, the rules should have shown that before the match started, it didn't, therefore no rule was broken here.

Okay, so now we have that cleared up.

Second point -

The HIGHEST skill division currently offered to the ns2 comp community should involve all the highest skill players... to deny Herakles because he is "too good" is a laughable excuse and poor sportsmanship.
It is also not up to YOU to deny, it is up to the referee to accept the denial... you can ask for a deny as much as you like, but if the ref thinks its fair, then shut up and deal with the decision.

6. Substitutions
(d) Opposing teams may voice their opinion to a referee or admin on a substitute’s eligibility.

2. Rules
(f) If a team attempts to manipulate or exploit an NSL rule in any way other than for its intended use, NSL staff reserves the right to make a final decision and interpretation on the rule in question for the given match and/or dispute.
(g) An admin’s interpretation of the rules and decision is final.


If Herakles were to join the Placeholder team roster, no one would be surprised, He has been in previous teams with Wob and Zafod at the very least.

In summary...

You lost, get over it.

Yes, because the rules always get updated. By your logic Kash, every match this season is invalid because the rules still say to use the old version of Compmod:

(iii) Servers must have the following mods installed:
(i) NSL Mod (ModID: a2ddae8) by Dragon
(ii) NS2+ (Mod ID: 812f004) by Mendasp
(iii) Competitive Mod (ModID: e5ffa15) by Dragon
(iv)) Shine Admin with NS2Stats enabled is optional, but will be installed on all NSL maintained servers.

As for Herakles mercing:

(c) The player(s) must be of equivalent or lower skill than the rest of the replacement's team. A quick parameter to determine a substitute’s eligibility may be the division of the team that player belongs, but may not be sufficient. A referee or admin can determine a player’s suitability.

Golden says

As for Herakles mercing:

(c) The player(s) must be of equivalent or lower skill than the rest of the replacement's team. A quick parameter to determine a substitute’s eligibility may be the division of the team that player belongs, but may not be sufficient. A referee or admin can determine a player’s suitability.

A referee or admin can determine a player’s suitability

Thanks for proving my point for me Golden.

Oh but wait... quoting the rules is pointless because the rules are outdated....

Kash says

The HIGHEST skill division currently offered to the ns2 comp community should involve all the highest skill players... to deny Herakles because he is "too good" is a laughable excuse and poor sportsmanship.

It is also not up to YOU to deny, it is up to the referee to accept the denial... you can ask for a deny as much as you like, but if the ref thinks its fair, then shut up and deal with the decision.

I don't think that's fair Kash. This is what the rule says:

(c) The player(s) must be of equivalent or lower skill than the rest of the replacement's team. A quick parameter to determine a substitute’s eligibility may be the division of the team that player belongs, but may not be sufficient.

They explicitly say that the division of the player may not be sufficient. Moreover, the rule also says:

(c) The player(s) must be of equivalent or lower skill than the rest of the replacement's team.

People don't agree that Hera is equivalent or lower skill than the rest of the replacement's team. So I don't see why this complaint is a "laughable excuse". Of course, you are right that the admin has the final say, but that doesn't mean that the team can't complain about the referee's judgment, or that doing so amounts to poor sportsmanship. If the referee made the wrong call - as I think he did - then he should be criticized for that.

Finally, in my view the team that displayed poor sportsmanship is the team that insisted on merc-ing one of the best players in the game despite the objection of the other team.

cool story hobbes : ()

I've convinced Zafod guys. What about the rest of you?

2. Rules
(a) Before teams play their first matches, ALL players must read and completely understand the rules.

I'm sure everyone involved stuck to this rule before playing... and if any rule was in question at any point that they are smart enough to bring it up BEFORE the match starts.

If no issue is risen before the match starts then everyone is agreeing to the rules as they stood before the match started.

"but erm, this bit is out of date"

well, bring that up before the match starts, get it fixed before you play.

if something is advertised as official, and played to the end, with referee and caster, the end result should be the final result, regardless of who cries about it.

"I was pressured into playing" if you didn't give 24 hours notice to show you wouldn't be able to play, they could have forced a forfeit if you refused to play... so playing was your only option.

"the map wasn't in the rotation" read the rules before the match starts and bring up any issues you have there and then.

"the merc is too strong" REALLY!!! in the FINAL of the HIGHEST division which is supposed to display the BEST players... you're going to try to deny someone because they are "too good"... get the fuck out of here.

In summary.

You lost, get over it.

"in the FINAL of the HIGHEST division which is supposed to display the BEST players"

eh, i'd say it's meant to show the best players of the two qualifying teams.

turtsmcgurts says

"in the FINAL of the HIGHEST division which is supposed to display the BEST players"

eh, i'd say it's meant to show the best players of the two qualifying teams.

I'd be inclined to agree with you, were it not for the fact that both teams had a merc... and the fact that there is no rule to back up that opinion.

I would say the addition of a rule to enforce that should be added... but it shouldn't/wouldn't effect matches that have already been played. Updating the rules to be sure this kind of drama never happens again is a good thing... but to expect a change in the result is unreasonable, the rules were in place, they "should" have been read and agreed to by EVERYONE involved... looking at them afterwards and complaining changes nothing for the past, but it can help prevent this shit for the future.

Kash says

"the merc is too strong" REALLY!!! in the FINAL of the HIGHEST division which is supposed to display the BEST players... you're going to try to deny someone because they are "too good"... get the fuck out of here.

Either Hera is or is not of equivalent or lower skill than the rest of the team. If he's not, then the ref shouldn't have allowed it. People think he wasn't, and so they are angry with the ref. You seem to think that even raising this issue is silly. It's almost as if you think it's impossible for there to be someone of greater skill than the members of the teams participating in the FINAL of the HIGHEST division. But obviously that is a possibility, so your point isn't very good.

Of course, this all comes down to a debate about Hera's relative skill, and I doubt we can settle that here. Instead we should just all agree to ban mercs in future grand finals (and maybe make those other changes Pikum suggested).