Listen fraggie, I've read the responses and they all boil down to either personal preference or the argument that having marines with higher DPS was somehow "intended" or their God given right. I pointed out that:
The only 2 relevant posts multi has made are that the difference between DPS between the slowest and the fastest ROFs is 2.5%. This is NOT insignificant though as that 2.5% is often the difference between life and death. He also posted about the acceleration being the only difference and I quite logically and thoroughly destroyed this argument as a reason to dismiss the debate:
i bet he moves with the speed of light... so do bullets ; D also crt monitors are evil and so on and on... guys you either improve or not and keep dying no matter of what...
no it wasn't.. i ran a league at the time these debates happened... pretty sure i remember the agurmenets.. anyway.. the pro 100fps crew always had a leg to stand on, the 200fps crew barely have a straw to suck on.
yes i know you're too much of a self righteous arrrogant fucker to consider trying to make the playing field more level.. sorry for trying to treat you like a decent human being.. i'll remember to treat you like a hypocritical arrogant newb who has no ethics and thinks himself as being superior without any fucking decent evidence. AKA.. a completely shit prick.. go fuck your little sister.
of course your enjoy playing on 200fps.. that's because you get a boner from the severe advantage and my whole goddamn point.. can you dig yourself into a bigger hole of hypocrisy or do i have to spell out how much of a moron you're being even more than i am now? i'm sorry but if anyone can't see how much bullshit this aA and frG team are talking when trying to argue with the whole fucking EU ns community.. let me spell it out WITH A SLIGHT SUMMERY: aA: i want 200fps because it plays better. everyone else: NO SHIT FUCKNUTS. IT'S A STUPIDLY LARGE ADVANTAGE FOR JETPACKS AND LMG SO GROW A BALL SACK AND PLAY IN A REMOTELY SIMILAR SITUATION TO 90% OF THE COMMUNITY.
Wow control yourself dude.., if this isnt bannable then it would be time to remove the forum, no need to get personal like that.
It's fine if you cant agree on my/our points, i can understand that, but to call us out like that is utterly retarded.
Sub: i meant multi's last post, showing how fps impacts the actual stuff you see, as in tearing/buffering problems/bugs. Now i dont know ALL the details about this but this is probably what makes it smoother/better playable at 200 fps, at least for my 120hz TFT.
There is supposed to be a mousebug aswell when this problem occurs, negative acceleration or something, i didnt notice it, but Multi knows the ins and outs, so i am kinda hoping he can come out with some more details.
You guys do know that the LMG firerate is also different at 111fps, and i believe 70 fps ? (70 fps is the same firerate as 200 i thought, not sure), why has that NEVER been a problem EVER? we all played on either 111 fps or 125fps as alien, noone even bothered to say it could be too much.
Now with 200fps ALL the people that are whining cant actually reach 200fps because of hardware limits, is that really our fault ?
look how politely aA response and he is right with his experience.
hl use the winmouse-cursor that's why we have basic windows mouse accelerate.in any frame hl fetch the cursor position and set the cursor in the middle of the screen. if we move the mouse too fast its hit the end of the screen and we lose 1:1 mouse ratio in ns.
with more fps its reset the cursor position oftener so we have faster possible mouse movement.
pls check my my post number 129. if u want i can try to explain it with some help lines.
Personally I don't have a big problem with the fact 200FPS gives better LMG DPS. And I don't have a big problem with the fact not everyone can reach it, although I think it is still a valid concern. The real question is that if everyone could run 200FPS Jetpack/HMG, would such games be fun and balanced? For that question, there are valid arguments both sides.
I didn't start the personal crap so don't even go there sista!
to say I don't understand is not very polite imo.. maybe you should both try to understand the word that i used: 'adapt'. I chose this word for a reason, it would be nice if people could actually read my posts instead of attempting to be superior.
lol, you posted an image which shows clearly that tearing exists on both 60fps and 200fps... big deal? kind of supports the idea that there isn't much of a difference between the two in terms of smoothness. Maybe you could try to make it relevant and post pics of the fps we're suggesting :P
anyway, i know what point you're trying to make but i really don't see how issues like the ones being brought up by the 'for 200fps' people really compare to large game imbalances that the 'for 125fps' people are bringing up. o_O
lol frG, you're really not very good at the facts thing are you :P
I know two people who can achieve and have played on 200fps but think it should be capped... i'm one of them.. *rolleyes*
of course your enjoy playing on 200fps.. that's because you get a boner from the severe advantage and my whole goddamn point.. can you dig yourself into a bigger hole of hypocrisy or do i have to spell out how much of a moron you're being even more than i am now? i'm sorry but if anyone can't see how much bullshit this aA and frG team are talking when trying to argue with the whole fucking EU ns community.. let me spell it out WITH A SLIGHT SUMMERY: aA: i want 200fps because it plays better. everyone else: NO SHIT FUCKNUTS. IT'S A STUPIDLY LARGE ADVANTAGE FOR JETPACKS AND LMG SO GROW A BALL SACK AND PLAY IN A REMOTELY SIMILAR SITUATION TO 90% OF THE COMMUNITY.[/quote]
that's all your intepratation, sorry man you've lost your face completly after one post and i dunno if some1 will take you any serious by now.
multi, i agree that people have preferences which can be issues on a personal level and i fully agree that aA has issues. but tbh i haven't noticed any real mousebug while i play on 125, 100, 200 or whatever fps.. sure the game smoothness will drop a little with a lower fps and the black circle gets a bit bigger.. but those things are nothing compared to a large game imbalance
I didn't start the personal crap so don't even go there sista!
to say I don't understand is not very polite imo.. maybe you should both try to understand the word that i used: 'adapt'. I chose this word for a reason, it would be nice if people could actually read my posts instead of attempting to be superior.
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wow look here we have someone sensitive over here... someone who just throw tons of flames himself... seriously be mature adquacy to your age or dont start disscusion with matured ppl if you can't handle the words and go berserk.
and sorry i wont adapt to you so you can be pleased. i have my style.
so how can u say which kind of issues are tolerable?
if your perception is not good enough to feel the issues?
i dont wanna insult you but your game sense is not high enough to say the game is imbalance. in the last gather you were not able to drop one dc in time. and u never play in any top team.
you're telling me that an issue that only a select few can perceive is less tolerable than an issue that everyone can spot a mile away? really? you're really trying to make a point like that? wow.
my game sense is not high enough to say the game is imbalanced? lol.. i've done more than you have to get the game to state of balance it's in now. So don't even try that one ;)
Lol, you're now saying that i can't comment because i don't have a button bound for dropping dcs? Seems like you're really grasping onto anything you can to make an argument now. Let's all comment on single rounds. *rolleyes*
and leave my previous clans out of this talk please, they were all full of players far better than you'll ever be. You know nothing about my experiences with NS.
lol.. what are you talking about. of course i can say the jp are imba.
i can say they are imba because i've played with 200fps jp and 125fps jp.. quite easy to say they're imba.. i've also faded against 200fps jp and 125fps jp.. yep.. pretty sure it's easy to say they're imba, don't have to be the best fade around to see that. And actually i used to main fade for my clan so i wasn't always bad. I just am now and i don't deny it.
red flag logic? you're still trying to support your idea that a small bug noticed by only a few is more significant than an imbalance noticed by most people?.. i'm not using red flag logic, i'm trying to figure out if your argument can come close to any definition of logic.. it's redonkeylous.. like trying to say 1 is bigger than 50.
1 2 3? lol..
1. my first seasons in the ENSL were in the prem while semi active. who cares what div i'm in now?
2. i don't stack able like you nobs, usually i'm going alien and being stacked against but still coming out with a ratio when i spend half the time eating res.
3. wrong.
4. most of my time with NS has been working for game balance and doing stuff for the community.. sorry if my skill level isn't high enough for you to consider my argument but maybe you should take your cock out your ass?
Basic value in every kind of leagues is that every participator should have equal rights to win it. Only skill should be relevant. This is the reason why progamers play in LAN with same kind of computers, configs and so on. This is/should be value of ENSL too. Of course we can't ever reach total equality but we should be as equal as possible. I think everybody agrees this idea, right?
This is how I have seen "argumentation" at this point.
Standpoint: 200 FPS gives advantage and therefore should be listed as an exploit.
There are two main counter arguments:
1. No, 200 FPS doesn't give advantage.
- Denying the standpoint is always risky. There is evidence that 200 FPS indeed gives higher ROF for LMG, it also gives jetpacks better mobility and makes game smoother. Yes, smoothness is also an advantage. If someone still wants to hold on this argument, he/she should null and void the current evidence. There is also logical argument against this argument: "If 200 FPS doesn't give advantage, why use it?"
2. Yes, it gives advantage but those who can reach 200 FPS have rights to this advantage.
- First, I like to say that this argument contradicts the idea of equality which I mentioned above. So if somebody still wants to hold on this argument, he has to explain why someone should have advantage over others. There has been some arguments that have try to do this, but for my eyes all of those have been fallacies.
To be honest I don't expect that any of you to chance your point of view. I don't even understand why I am writing this. Those who choose to live in ignorance will do it in future as well.
So surely you can just fix the mouse sensitivity issue by lowering your windows sensitivity Multi?
Also as I've said before, I move the screen around more than anyone and I can handle 125fps. Basically if you can't handle it you need to buy a better monitor. Holy shit look what just happened! Isn't it irritating when people tell you to buy better hardware!
Finally, can we please ban aA from this debate. All his replies serve to do is infuriate since they take FOREVER to read and rarely - if ever - contain a logical argument. Usually it's just condescension with no substance whatsoever.
