It was a draw, if anyone is seriously trying to defend the fact they didn't win I'd like them to put there face right infront of my cock so I can dick-slap them several times..
Because it was two teams slapped together at short notice, with whoever was around and no practice beforehand. Not to mention the lacking organization, lack of pregame hype and four map format on servers that were bad for both teams. It was a fun game, let's leave it at that.
Since when did Reflect represent the american ns scene? We are the current top american team, yes, however, the american clan scene is dead. You think the euro scene is as dead as the american scene, but it isn't. The good american players have moved on, while there's still a good chunk of good euro players. There's absolutely no scrimming at all in the american scene, can you say the same for the euro scene? Terror and Exigent would walk all over nL even with the bad pings, however, they were also arguably the 2 best american teams and I have no clue where nL would rank with past euro teams.
The only reason I enjoy playing in this league is because there are teams like nL (probably saunamen) that will walk all over us. I have no idea why my team sees the need to come post here and complain about whatever. I can only assume it's because of the shit the euros talk about american teams. I too blame pings every so often or even call bs, but mostly during the match while I'm in a more competetive state.
Also, I laugh at the fact that most euros laugh at us for being bad, yet we're still placed in premier division and are still tying euro teams even with our handicap. What's even more amusing to me is it's players from lower divisions or, having the same handicap as we do, would get destroyed on american servers. And after all the shit they talk, they still refuse to sign up for cal/ansl and play on our grounds? If you really cared enough, I'm sure the ANSL admins wouldn't mind figuring out a way to get some american teams to schedule for euro times (like reflect would).
"Stop caring about the EUvsNA match everyone knows it wasnt serious."
It was poorly organized and sorta last minute. Although it really wasn't serious, it seemed a hell of a lot more serious to the euros than it did to the americans.
The euros had a channel dedicated to their EU team.
They had actually picked out their best 7 players to play in the match, whereas NA was just reflect + whoever else wanted to play (meb, menes, elf).
They delayed the match 1.5hrs to wait for their star comm, whereas the americans had slipknot and me (first time commanding and winning ftw) commanding 2 maps.
They almost refused to play us on our servers because 2 of their 7 "star" players had to leave immediately after the 4 rounds on their server and getting 2 other players was apparently too difficult. (They did finally play though, thanks)
Had we not played on american servers and the outcome been 3-1 for the euros, do you really think your opinion of it "not being serious" would be the same? The euro egos are too big that they would have counted it as a serious NAvsEU match had they won.
Again, even though it looks as though I think it was serious, I know it wasn't. However, you're lying if you say you guys weren't actually trying in your matches.
I took this match seriously as if we were about to win the $1 million dollar CS tournament. I was very disappointed and almost killed myself by jumping off the 4 steps it takes to get up to the door of my house.
Probably would of been a little easier on a UK server but oh well. I will stroke my cawk with some baby oil and continue on watching my gay bukkake porn.
I think the NA team had 11 players in total that played. The most rounds someone played was 5 I believe and that was Makaveli. All the others got at least 2 rounds in.
"I laugh at the fact that most euros laugh at us for being bad"
Interesting, that sounds like exactly what happened when Knife played in CAL. How about you stop being so fucking sensitive and start realizing this is the Internet? If you can't handle it I suggest you unplug your modem and go into the woods and stop wasting our time with your moaning.
"Terror and Exigent would walk all over nL even with the bad pings"
Well done. You're officially a retard. Even "Hitlering" couldn't have ruined your argument better than that.
"Had we not played on American servers and the outcome been 3-1 for the euros, do you really think your opinion of it "not being serious" would be the same? The euro egos are too big that they would have counted it as a serious NAvsEU match had they won."
That's funny shit considering I actually talked to you about this not being a real EU vs. NA match BEFORE we played on the American server.
As for the rest of your hastily written bullshit, it would probably be best if you hadn't said anything, because most of it is either misinformed or just plain bullshit. Wow yes we had an irc channel where the players who were going to play met before the match, big fucking deal?
This was far from the best European team that could play, and you saying it is just proves how little you know about European teams and players -- I'm not saying I know much about American teams and players, but at least I don't pretend I do either. The way you keep going on about our "star players" is more pathetic than it is funny, considering your blatant lack of knowledge.
The reason why we originally weren't sure if we were going to play two more maps, was because it was 23:00ish on Saturday and a lot of us (including me) actually wanted to go do other things (three of us actually did leave). After some spamming around, we managed to get hold of Pizza, who was one of the few half-decent players online at the time. For a while we even considered getting klatu to play, who hasn't even played NS in god knows how long.
"However, you're lying if you say you guys weren't actually trying in your matches."
Have any of us actually said that? What the fuck man, where are you pulling all this shit from? Of course we were doing our best to win with what we had, weren't you?
I congratulate you guys on turning what was originally a fun match into a retarded flamewar, well fucking done. Want to take a guess at what I'm going to remember from this whole ordeal? It won't be the fun I had while playing the match, that's for sure.
"Interesting, that sounds like exactly what happened when Knife played in CAL. How about you stop being so fucking sensitive and start realizing this is the Internet? If you can't handle it I suggest you unplug your modem and go into the woods and stop wasting our time with your moaning."
I was around when Knife played in CAL, however, I really don't remember much of it. I really don't care what other people said about Knife. The fact that I find it amusing that people are so egotistical of their continent's ns clan base is apparently me being sensitive? Where did I ever say I was hurt with what anyone has said.
My opinion stands that Terror and Exigent were better teams than nL is. I don't care what kind of matches they had against Knife/euros before or even understand your rebuttal. The fact is that Reflect has had more of a challenge playing them on even grounds than it has playing nL on their servers (or ours against team EU). If I think that old Terror would beat nL's current roster, then that's my opinion, just as your "American's suck at ns" is your opinion.
My comment about the euros taking the match more seriously had they won came from exactly that discussion we had. It was not directed to you, but the others in the teamEU channel that were trying to figure out whether this was the 3rd teamNA vs teamEU match. This was mostly an assumption from my experience with the euro scene.
Whether or not it was your best euro team or not (I never seriously meant there weren't better euros that should have been playing) but from how you delayed the match an hour and a half to wait for 1 player to not wanting to play more rounds because players had left, lead me to believe this was the best team you could have put together. In teamNA's case, I already said this was a Reflect + whoever asked me to play. I never went asking players to play, otherwise, the majority of teamNA would not have been playing and would have been replaced by better players (myself included).
"Have any of us actually said that? What the fuck man, where are you pulling all this shit from? Of course we were doing our best to win with what we had, weren't you?"
"if you say so most of team eu players went to bed after 2nd map :P."
The fact that was said and especially the fact you guys keep bringing up how the game wasn't serious makes it seem like you guys didn't try because it wasn't serious. Since you stated you did try, the americans that played have tied the euros that played, making this statement all the more funny...
"Just shut up america you suck at ns"
Whether or not sublime is being serious, that still seems the be the impression of most euros here. Now, if you say you tried and we tied, clearly you guys suck just as much as we do.
I'm done talking now, to me it seems all the euros care about and believe is how bad the americans are.
"Where did I ever say I was hurt with what anyone has said."
what's the point of bringing it up, if you don't have any problems with it? ...
"My opinion stands that Terror and Exigent were better teams than nL is. I don't care what kind of matches they had against Knife/euros before or even understand your rebuttal."
It's a retarded argument. I could say that Knife, when we peaked, was a lot better than any American team ever, but there would be no point in saying it because: A. There's no way of proving it and B. It doesn't actually have any relevance to the discussion at hand. If you don't understand the concept of "Hitlering", try googling it and maybe you'll understand my point. I might actually do an article on the practice of comparing teams in the two communities soon, this crap gets brought up way too often.
"American's suck at ns" is your opinion.
I've never said that or anything like it and I never will, unless I'm joking, because that's not my opinion. I've always thought that the American and European communities are very alike in skill.
"This was mostly an assumption from my experience with the euro scene."
"Whether or not it was your best euro team or not..."
We waited for Peach to get back because he said he'd be back earlier than he actually was. It was more of a courtesy to him than it was us not wanting to play with a different comm. I certainly wouldn't mind using sherpa instead of Peach, for example.
This is starting to turn into a "who cared the least" competition, which really isn't helping anything. Let's just drop the discussion.
You should probably stop assuming. Produces less rage and ridicule.
I fail to see how you can turn "if you say so most of team eu players went to bed after 2nd map :P." into saying we weren't trying. aA was simply stating a fact (although he was exaggerating, most of our players didn't leave, 3/7 did). There's also very little doubt that aA was posting it as a response to Milo's comment as a counter-joke (I assume Milo was being serious, if he was he's a dick). Note the :P smileyface at the end. This is another case of you misinterpreting something to fit your agenda.
The game not being a real EU vs. NA match does not mean we didn't take it seriously nor are we saying that we didn't take it seriously. This is just an example of you misinterpreting something to fit your agenda.
"Whether or not sublime is being serious, that still seems the be the impression of most euros here."
If I took the KANEDA stuff your players kept spamming on the server seriously, not to mention chuckers in nL vs. Reflect, I'd think you guys were dicks. You need to learn to separate fun from serious.
"I'm done talking now, to me it seems all the euros care about and believe is how bad the americans are."
I once saw an American player complaining on an HLTV about how all European Fades are bad walker Fades. It makes we very distressed to learn that ALL Americans think that all European Fades are bad walker Fades. :(
Man this place really needs an edit function. This paragraph got all messed up:
"I fail to see how you can turn "if you say so most of team eu players went to bed after 2nd map :P." into saying we weren't trying. aA was simply stating a fact (although he was exaggerating, most of our players didn't leave, 3/7 did). There's also very little doubt that aA was posting it as a response to Milo's comment as a counter-joke (I assume Milo was being serious, if he was he's a dick). Note the :P smileyface at the end. This is another case of you misinterpreting something to fit your agenda."
I meant to say "I assume Milo WASNT being serious..."
I also forgot to add in this part:
The reason we had problems with 3/7 players leaving, was because on Saturday at 23:00ish, there's really not many European players on. We could've gotten some random division 2 or 3 player, but that just wouldn't have been any fun. For me this was a high skill mix team playing against another and bringing mediocre players into our mix would just make me not want to play.
I believe jiriki, who "organized" the european team by spamming everyone decent enough to play on IRC the day before, thought this was a real EU vs. NA match, or wanted it to be. In reality though, it just doesn't fit the criteria.
just saw that last comment about the ensl match. who cares if it wasnt a "real match" in your opinion.(by the way what qualifies it as a real match?)
We got as much notice as you did about the supposed NA vs EU match. We were in the same boat as you were. Please stop trying to take away from the fact that we did indeed tie.
1. Planned weeks beforehand, giving both teams time for tryouts and practice before the match.
2. Tryouts for both teams, with the very best players from each continent fighting against each other to be on the team before getting ready for the actual match (The last real EU vs. NA match was an example of this somewhat failing for NA though).
3. Lots of hype, starting weeks before the match, to bring spectators to the servers. Last time there were 300+ specs, this time there was about 100.
4. A pre-set match format (two maps being the norm), with one map on each team's server. The EU server being located in the UK and the NA server being located on the East Coast, for the best possible pings for both teams.
5. A serious mindset, instead of the rubbish "lol obs bugged replay plz" you pulled on us. We agreed to the replay because playing NS is fun and since this wasn't that serious anyway, we might as well.
"We got as much notice as you did about the supposed NA vs EU match. We were in the same boat as you were."
I agree, we were both equally unprepared for the match. Have I said anything to the contrary? No I haven't. Get some glasses son.
"Please stop trying to take away from the fact that we did indeed tie."
You're satisfied with a tie? Nice underdog mindset right there.
If I took the KANEDA stuff your players kept spamming on the server seriously, not to mention chuckers in nL vs. Reflect, I'd think you guys were dicks. You need to learn to separate fun from serious.
instead of wasting my time explaining things, i'll keep it short and sweet, not meaning to single out anyone.
1) the above passage rests on an assumption(s?) itself, which is(are?) wrong. now this is the part where i tack on "I'M ROFLING IRL" and "SAVE YOURSELF THE SHAME/RIDICULE/DONKEY PUNCHING" and "THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHITE PEOPLE BEING IGNORANT". hey i'd be an internet argument superstar
2) it's a troll's pursuit to portray someone else as whining. chuck's self-satire of going "WAH WAH" perfectly illustrates just how dumb and trite this really is.
3) instead of arguing all this -=[NSPlayer]=- > (1)NSPlayer(1) bullshit, let me just say that anyone who watched eu vs na could tell you that neither side is outclassed, so let's just put it to rest. if we made a top ten team of the players still relatively active, i'd say only two of them are currently on reflect's roster.
4) that being said i'd like to echo deimos' sentiment about joining ANSL, i am 100% positive that ANSL will cooperate in accomodating euro teams. this means splitting servers for title matches, scheduling times, etc. so do it, </rage>. when i make my own new team in the next week or so i would love to play some fresh faces more often.
if idiots want to keep throwing their shit back and forth, nothings ever going to change that. but let's not polarize and generalize and get legitimately raged at each other like seems to be happening here. lulz happens, shit happens. AHHHHH KANEDAAAAAAA, etc.
The "stop caring..." comment was directed at milo and aA so they wouldnt start something like this and was infact not an atempt to excuse that we didnt win.
*sigh* again:
"How about you stop being so fucking sensitive and start realizing this is the Internet?"
"I agree, we were both equally unprepared for the match. Have I said anything to the contrary? No I haven't. Get some glasses son."
Actually you've been complaining about it in nearly every comment post/shotbox post i've seen from you about how you guys were "unprepared." Yet you failed to aknowledge team NAs equal disadvantage. Again I was merely pointing out that our little exhibition match was on equal terms with neither side having a larger handicap than the other(even though you keep complaining about EU having a larger one.) Maybe you should get a brain, son.
"You're satisfied with a tie? Nice underdog mindset right there."
Wow who's the dick now? Of course I'm not satisfied with a tie but it seems neither are you. With your constant proclamation of the apparent extreme handicaps on the side of team EU, you see it fit to disregard anything that actually transpired during the match and brush it off by saying "well we wouldve won anyway if we were prepared." I actually think that NA tying EU rages you so I have no problem pointing it out again and again.
Keep the essay long posts coming, Fana. I'm only laughing harder.
Oh god the American's finally managed to not lose a NA vs EU match. Here have a fucking cookie. You've really shown your caliber now and I take back every negative comment I ever said about you.
Oh no wait I'm sorry, you're actually still shit and you only won CAL because every other team of note quit. You've played this game for god knows how long and you've only just passed medicority, milo. High fucking 5 to you.
NSI? Reflect vs lessthanthree 2-0 thank you come again.
PS what was with that strategy on tanith? You totally had that round in the bag thanks the repetitive base rushes forcing beacons. Okay it was a lucky break getting waste hive but nl had no res what so ever because of it. If you'd have a more sensible strategy with 3 chambers and a regular timed second hive you'd of won even with the loss of your lifeforms so early.
Classic Ben thinking. Reference one match that was over a year ago and apply it to today. I can assure you that the Reflect of over one year ago is not the same as the Reflect of today. But good job referencing that one match where you got carried in a tournament that never finished. Thank you come again.
As for that round, deimos has some dumb strategies that he likes to use and I would've slapped some sense into him had I not been recording a demo of my models warping and frapsing it into the above posted avi. Actually I didn't even know we were going rt hive until i replayed that avi with the sound on and heard Deimos's deadpanned voice say "Slipknot rt, hive" Had I payed attention to that I wouldve threated to castrate Deimos if we went rt hive.
I still don't ever remember playing <3, only knife.
As for the strat, we were supposed to go straight hive with waste hive. We never do good on tanith anymore and lost has always been a terrible map imo.
Well it happened, it was brutual. You died to a random mine as fade and slipknot got knifed as fade, for aliens you barely even got a foot in the door, you were in essence schooled. And yeh of course you've improved since then, not even you couldn't. As for carried. Err yeh fade's and alien commanders get carried allllll the time don't they.
May want to remember though that the team who's taken 8 rounds off you in the last two meetings was formed by me and Fana though, only reason I don't play is because i'm not able to in university. This ninelegends is a damn sight better than you and it's not even a touch on the orginial team we formed featuring such european legends as morphz, fana, pantsu, aa, frg, avex, ed|rush, n44bj and myself. So yeh I guess there's your modern day reference too.
Basically you never have and never will -because I'm not able to play anymore- be in a team that's better than whatever I'm playing in. You'll still be in reflect pulling stupid strategies out of your arse like the rt hive. Good fucking idea. Why not just all go gorge and spam OCs in double res, it had the same chance of success. I feel sorry for steve having to play with a bunch of clueless retards.
"Oh yeh guys I came up with this great strategy, what we're going to do is get a really late hive because they don't even matter and only drop 1 chamber. It'll work because we'll drop a random OC in cargo to slow them down for 3 minutes!"
LOL I DIDNT HEAR I HAD TO RT HIVE BUT THEN I DID RT HIVE AND WE LOST BECAUSE OF IT BUT I WOULD HAVE SAID NO TO RT HIVE HAD I HEARD IT WHICH I DID BECAUSE I BUILT AN RT THEN TRIED TO BUILD THE HIVE LOL!
4mins is apparently really late. The rt hive comes with 4 other nodes being dropped, so if all nodes are kept up, which we do a good job at normally, we have an early fade with a hive being dropped a minute later?
It worked vs LTDM and has worked many times in the past. Of course against better shooters, our skulks aren't always good enough to keep our nodes up, but then again, what's the difference if we drop 1-2 nodes compared to 4 if our skulks can't stop the pressure team.
Believe it or not, there are strats other than your cookie-cutter "beat the other team with skill" that can win a game. We aren't as good a team as nL, especially individual skill wise. When most of your team comes into the game expecting to lose, it doesn't go so well. Notice how we didn't even bother to try to get them to restart our marine round where Slipknot was afk the entire round.
As for the match against <3, I thought that was against Knife. Either way, I really don't care. That nsi tournament was when reflect was still an omega team in CAL, gj on beating us. Btw, we never won CAL, we've always been a top 2nd-3rd team in CAL after that omega season. We don't really care if we're not the best, we aren't claiming to be. We've been more successful than most american and euro teams, that's all I care about.
NL IS BETTER THAN REFLECT. Is that what you're trying to hear? Because myself and most of my team aren't denying that fact. A lot of us have been playing for a while, however, can you really improve your hand-eye coordination even after playing a game for years? Not really. That's why I don't play cs. Milo has improved drastically from being the worst marine on reflect to one of our better ones (mostly due to upgrading his computer). I really don't see the point in making fun of anyone's skill in this game.
"You're satisfied with a tie? Nice underdog mindset right there."
Actually, I am. I really don't care if I'm the best at a video game like a lot of you seem to. I can have fun playing the game no matter the skill level I have.
"I congratulate you guys on turning what was originally a fun match into a retarded flamewar, well fucking done. Want to take a guess at what I'm going to remember from this whole ordeal? It won't be the fun I had while playing the match, that's for sure."
Look who started the comments, idiot. You say this is all non-sense, well, if you weren't so butt-hurt over what chuck was saying in game, which he was obviously just trying to get on your nerves (he seems to have succeeded) then most of us wouldn't have come posting here.
Also, Milo is really talking out of his ass when he says "Had I payed attention to that I wouldve threated to castrate Deimos if we went rt hive." because we had actually been scrimming that strat a few times that week. This is the first I've heard him complain about my strats or suggest any of his own.
4th post in a row, but I felt I should post again before someone else comments on how dumb reflect's strats are.
Reflect, until recently, has been a team that would beat teams with strat. We used a lot of successful awkward strats to overcome better skilled teams. Basically, the element of surprise gave us an advantage over our opponents. This is what made Reflect back in the day and why playing for Reflect was so fun.
Few points you may not know,
Reflect was the first (american at least) team to switch to MC as a first chamber before the free chamber upgrades were implemented. After which, all american teams switched to MC first.
Reflect was the first team to take a round in a match off Terror using our JP Rush to kill alien nodes and play against 2 hive alien strat.
I thought I had more, but I just had a brain fart and can't think right now.
Hopefully you can see where I'm getting at. Back in the day when me and duo (mostly duo) were Reflect's only good shooters, it was our strats that pulled out the wins. Now that me and duo both are lacking on marines, that we have other good marines and that there are no teams to scrim to practice our strats, we hardly doing anything out of the ordinary.
Yea, some of our strats were plain dumb and just didn't work, we normally found that out during scrims. It's now either we do a normal strat or risk an out of the ordinary strat with no scrimming. So, don't criticize my strats when you have no idea how our team performs using your strat.
i am laughing at loud at you silly white people all moaning about whatever-the-hell it is you are moaning about when the only real controversy is me not being selected to BOSS the alien rounds with my KILLER fade.
p.s. america dont whine about anything you read on this site. i remember the cal forums being nothing more than trying to get shock value out of saying nigger or power level over 9000.
although we discuss ns here, we are 99% joking just as you guys are.
i play computer games in a competitive environment. even if im not physically white im still white as heck. post this comment on 10 videos or i will come to your ghettos and gentrify them to heck when u r sleeping
Comments
Chuckers | srekcuhC: stfu u suck
4 March 2007, 18:35
4 March 2007, 18:38
4 March 2007, 19:22
4 March 2007, 19:43
4 March 2007, 20:18
SHUT UP
4 March 2007, 21:17
4 March 2007, 22:19
5 March 2007, 03:41
Stop caring about the EUvsNA match everyone knows it wasnt serious.
5 March 2007, 08:50
5 March 2007, 08:52
most of the team NA players woke up right before the first.
"Stop caring about the EUvsNA match everyone knows it wasnt serious."
Why wasnt it serious again?
5 March 2007, 10:30
It was a draw, if anyone is seriously trying to defend the fact they didn't win I'd like them to put there face right infront of my cock so I can dick-slap them several times..
5 March 2007, 13:21
5 March 2007, 14:48
btw your bad fana i like how you suck at lerk at get rocked? yeah your bad LOL!
5 March 2007, 14:52
5 March 2007, 15:01
5 March 2007, 15:06
I do believe thats the worst grammar I have ever seen in my entire fucking life.
5 March 2007, 15:24
The only reason I enjoy playing in this league is because there are teams like nL (probably saunamen) that will walk all over us. I have no idea why my team sees the need to come post here and complain about whatever. I can only assume it's because of the shit the euros talk about american teams. I too blame pings every so often or even call bs, but mostly during the match while I'm in a more competetive state.
Also, I laugh at the fact that most euros laugh at us for being bad, yet we're still placed in premier division and are still tying euro teams even with our handicap. What's even more amusing to me is it's players from lower divisions or, having the same handicap as we do, would get destroyed on american servers. And after all the shit they talk, they still refuse to sign up for cal/ansl and play on our grounds? If you really cared enough, I'm sure the ANSL admins wouldn't mind figuring out a way to get some american teams to schedule for euro times (like reflect would).
5 March 2007, 15:29
5 March 2007, 15:44
It was poorly organized and sorta last minute. Although it really wasn't serious, it seemed a hell of a lot more serious to the euros than it did to the americans.
The euros had a channel dedicated to their EU team.
They had actually picked out their best 7 players to play in the match, whereas NA was just reflect + whoever else wanted to play (meb, menes, elf).
They delayed the match 1.5hrs to wait for their star comm, whereas the americans had slipknot and me (first time commanding and winning ftw) commanding 2 maps.
They almost refused to play us on our servers because 2 of their 7 "star" players had to leave immediately after the 4 rounds on their server and getting 2 other players was apparently too difficult. (They did finally play though, thanks)
Had we not played on american servers and the outcome been 3-1 for the euros, do you really think your opinion of it "not being serious" would be the same? The euro egos are too big that they would have counted it as a serious NAvsEU match had they won.
Again, even though it looks as though I think it was serious, I know it wasn't. However, you're lying if you say you guys weren't actually trying in your matches.
5 March 2007, 15:47
Probably would of been a little easier on a UK server but oh well. I will stroke my cawk with some baby oil and continue on watching my gay bukkake porn.
5 March 2007, 16:40
5 March 2007, 16:42
Interesting, that sounds like exactly what happened when Knife played in CAL. How about you stop being so fucking sensitive and start realizing this is the Internet? If you can't handle it I suggest you unplug your modem and go into the woods and stop wasting our time with your moaning.
"Terror and Exigent would walk all over nL even with the bad pings"
Well done. You're officially a retard. Even "Hitlering" couldn't have ruined your argument better than that.
"Had we not played on American servers and the outcome been 3-1 for the euros, do you really think your opinion of it "not being serious" would be the same? The euro egos are too big that they would have counted it as a serious NAvsEU match had they won."
That's funny shit considering I actually talked to you about this not being a real EU vs. NA match BEFORE we played on the American server.
As for the rest of your hastily written bullshit, it would probably be best if you hadn't said anything, because most of it is either misinformed or just plain bullshit. Wow yes we had an irc channel where the players who were going to play met before the match, big fucking deal?
This was far from the best European team that could play, and you saying it is just proves how little you know about European teams and players -- I'm not saying I know much about American teams and players, but at least I don't pretend I do either. The way you keep going on about our "star players" is more pathetic than it is funny, considering your blatant lack of knowledge.
The reason why we originally weren't sure if we were going to play two more maps, was because it was 23:00ish on Saturday and a lot of us (including me) actually wanted to go do other things (three of us actually did leave). After some spamming around, we managed to get hold of Pizza, who was one of the few half-decent players online at the time. For a while we even considered getting klatu to play, who hasn't even played NS in god knows how long.
"However, you're lying if you say you guys weren't actually trying in your matches."
Have any of us actually said that? What the fuck man, where are you pulling all this shit from? Of course we were doing our best to win with what we had, weren't you?
I congratulate you guys on turning what was originally a fun match into a retarded flamewar, well fucking done. Want to take a guess at what I'm going to remember from this whole ordeal? It won't be the fun I had while playing the match, that's for sure.
5 March 2007, 19:35
5 March 2007, 20:00
5 March 2007, 20:01
5 March 2007, 20:08
I was around when Knife played in CAL, however, I really don't remember much of it. I really don't care what other people said about Knife. The fact that I find it amusing that people are so egotistical of their continent's ns clan base is apparently me being sensitive? Where did I ever say I was hurt with what anyone has said.
My opinion stands that Terror and Exigent were better teams than nL is. I don't care what kind of matches they had against Knife/euros before or even understand your rebuttal. The fact is that Reflect has had more of a challenge playing them on even grounds than it has playing nL on their servers (or ours against team EU). If I think that old Terror would beat nL's current roster, then that's my opinion, just as your "American's suck at ns" is your opinion.
My comment about the euros taking the match more seriously had they won came from exactly that discussion we had. It was not directed to you, but the others in the teamEU channel that were trying to figure out whether this was the 3rd teamNA vs teamEU match. This was mostly an assumption from my experience with the euro scene.
Whether or not it was your best euro team or not (I never seriously meant there weren't better euros that should have been playing) but from how you delayed the match an hour and a half to wait for 1 player to not wanting to play more rounds because players had left, lead me to believe this was the best team you could have put together. In teamNA's case, I already said this was a Reflect + whoever asked me to play. I never went asking players to play, otherwise, the majority of teamNA would not have been playing and would have been replaced by better players (myself included).
"Have any of us actually said that? What the fuck man, where are you pulling all this shit from? Of course we were doing our best to win with what we had, weren't you?"
"if you say so most of team eu players went to bed after 2nd map :P."
The fact that was said and especially the fact you guys keep bringing up how the game wasn't serious makes it seem like you guys didn't try because it wasn't serious. Since you stated you did try, the americans that played have tied the euros that played, making this statement all the more funny...
"Just shut up america you suck at ns"
Whether or not sublime is being serious, that still seems the be the impression of most euros here. Now, if you say you tried and we tied, clearly you guys suck just as much as we do.
I'm done talking now, to me it seems all the euros care about and believe is how bad the americans are.
5 March 2007, 21:02
5 March 2007, 21:14
what's the point of bringing it up, if you don't have any problems with it? ...
"My opinion stands that Terror and Exigent were better teams than nL is. I don't care what kind of matches they had against Knife/euros before or even understand your rebuttal."
It's a retarded argument. I could say that Knife, when we peaked, was a lot better than any American team ever, but there would be no point in saying it because: A. There's no way of proving it and B. It doesn't actually have any relevance to the discussion at hand. If you don't understand the concept of "Hitlering", try googling it and maybe you'll understand my point. I might actually do an article on the practice of comparing teams in the two communities soon, this crap gets brought up way too often.
"American's suck at ns" is your opinion.
I've never said that or anything like it and I never will, unless I'm joking, because that's not my opinion. I've always thought that the American and European communities are very alike in skill.
"This was mostly an assumption from my experience with the euro scene."
"Whether or not it was your best euro team or not..."
We waited for Peach to get back because he said he'd be back earlier than he actually was. It was more of a courtesy to him than it was us not wanting to play with a different comm. I certainly wouldn't mind using sherpa instead of Peach, for example.
This is starting to turn into a "who cared the least" competition, which really isn't helping anything. Let's just drop the discussion.
You should probably stop assuming. Produces less rage and ridicule.
I fail to see how you can turn "if you say so most of team eu players went to bed after 2nd map :P." into saying we weren't trying. aA was simply stating a fact (although he was exaggerating, most of our players didn't leave, 3/7 did). There's also very little doubt that aA was posting it as a response to Milo's comment as a counter-joke (I assume Milo was being serious, if he was he's a dick). Note the :P smileyface at the end. This is another case of you misinterpreting something to fit your agenda.
The game not being a real EU vs. NA match does not mean we didn't take it seriously nor are we saying that we didn't take it seriously. This is just an example of you misinterpreting something to fit your agenda.
"Whether or not sublime is being serious, that still seems the be the impression of most euros here."
If I took the KANEDA stuff your players kept spamming on the server seriously, not to mention chuckers in nL vs. Reflect, I'd think you guys were dicks. You need to learn to separate fun from serious.
"I'm done talking now, to me it seems all the euros care about and believe is how bad the americans are."
I once saw an American player complaining on an HLTV about how all European Fades are bad walker Fades. It makes we very distressed to learn that ALL Americans think that all European Fades are bad walker Fades. :(
5 March 2007, 21:57
You should probably stop assuming. Produces less rage and ridicule.
Are supposed to be together, forgot to cutnpaste the last part when I was reformatting the comment.
5 March 2007, 21:59
"I fail to see how you can turn "if you say so most of team eu players went to bed after 2nd map :P." into saying we weren't trying. aA was simply stating a fact (although he was exaggerating, most of our players didn't leave, 3/7 did). There's also very little doubt that aA was posting it as a response to Milo's comment as a counter-joke (I assume Milo was being serious, if he was he's a dick). Note the :P smileyface at the end. This is another case of you misinterpreting something to fit your agenda."
I meant to say "I assume Milo WASNT being serious..."
I also forgot to add in this part:
The reason we had problems with 3/7 players leaving, was because on Saturday at 23:00ish, there's really not many European players on. We could've gotten some random division 2 or 3 player, but that just wouldn't have been any fun. For me this was a high skill mix team playing against another and bringing mediocre players into our mix would just make me not want to play.
I believe jiriki, who "organized" the european team by spamming everyone decent enough to play on IRC the day before, thought this was a real EU vs. NA match, or wanted it to be. In reality though, it just doesn't fit the criteria.
5 March 2007, 22:10
i was serious but as you said:
"How about you stop being so fucking sensitive and start realizing this is the Internet?"
6 March 2007, 01:43
We got as much notice as you did about the supposed NA vs EU match. We were in the same boat as you were. Please stop trying to take away from the fact that we did indeed tie.
6 March 2007, 03:58
A real EU vs. NA match would be/have:
1. Planned weeks beforehand, giving both teams time for tryouts and practice before the match.
2. Tryouts for both teams, with the very best players from each continent fighting against each other to be on the team before getting ready for the actual match (The last real EU vs. NA match was an example of this somewhat failing for NA though).
3. Lots of hype, starting weeks before the match, to bring spectators to the servers. Last time there were 300+ specs, this time there was about 100.
4. A pre-set match format (two maps being the norm), with one map on each team's server. The EU server being located in the UK and the NA server being located on the East Coast, for the best possible pings for both teams.
5. A serious mindset, instead of the rubbish "lol obs bugged replay plz" you pulled on us. We agreed to the replay because playing NS is fun and since this wasn't that serious anyway, we might as well.
"We got as much notice as you did about the supposed NA vs EU match. We were in the same boat as you were."
I agree, we were both equally unprepared for the match. Have I said anything to the contrary? No I haven't. Get some glasses son.
"Please stop trying to take away from the fact that we did indeed tie."
You're satisfied with a tie? Nice underdog mindset right there.
6 March 2007, 04:26
instead of wasting my time explaining things, i'll keep it short and sweet, not meaning to single out anyone.
1) the above passage rests on an assumption(s?) itself, which is(are?) wrong. now this is the part where i tack on "I'M ROFLING IRL" and "SAVE YOURSELF THE SHAME/RIDICULE/DONKEY PUNCHING" and "THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHITE PEOPLE BEING IGNORANT". hey i'd be an internet argument superstar
2) it's a troll's pursuit to portray someone else as whining. chuck's self-satire of going "WAH WAH" perfectly illustrates just how dumb and trite this really is.
3) instead of arguing all this -=[NSPlayer]=- > (1)NSPlayer(1) bullshit, let me just say that anyone who watched eu vs na could tell you that neither side is outclassed, so let's just put it to rest. if we made a top ten team of the players still relatively active, i'd say only two of them are currently on reflect's roster.
4) that being said i'd like to echo deimos' sentiment about joining ANSL, i am 100% positive that ANSL will cooperate in accomodating euro teams. this means splitting servers for title matches, scheduling times, etc. so do it, </rage>. when i make my own new team in the next week or so i would love to play some fresh faces more often.
if idiots want to keep throwing their shit back and forth, nothings ever going to change that. but let's not polarize and generalize and get legitimately raged at each other like seems to be happening here. lulz happens, shit happens. AHHHHH KANEDAAAAAAA, etc.
6 March 2007, 04:37
But yeah drama is always a fun read.
6 March 2007, 07:02
6 March 2007, 08:18
Kudos to SS for posting the least retarded comment in this whole debacle.
6 March 2007, 11:42
"How about you stop being so fucking sensitive and start realizing this is the Internet?"
"I agree, we were both equally unprepared for the match. Have I said anything to the contrary? No I haven't. Get some glasses son."
Actually you've been complaining about it in nearly every comment post/shotbox post i've seen from you about how you guys were "unprepared." Yet you failed to aknowledge team NAs equal disadvantage. Again I was merely pointing out that our little exhibition match was on equal terms with neither side having a larger handicap than the other(even though you keep complaining about EU having a larger one.) Maybe you should get a brain, son.
"You're satisfied with a tie? Nice underdog mindset right there."
Wow who's the dick now? Of course I'm not satisfied with a tie but it seems neither are you. With your constant proclamation of the apparent extreme handicaps on the side of team EU, you see it fit to disregard anything that actually transpired during the match and brush it off by saying "well we wouldve won anyway if we were prepared." I actually think that NA tying EU rages you so I have no problem pointing it out again and again.
Keep the essay long posts coming, Fana. I'm only laughing harder.
6 March 2007, 13:16
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PS what was with that strategy on tanith? You totally had that round in the bag thanks the repetitive base rushes forcing beacons. Okay it was a lucky break getting waste hive but nl had no res what so ever because of it. If you'd have a more sensible strategy with 3 chambers and a regular timed second hive you'd of won even with the loss of your lifeforms so early.
6 March 2007, 16:25
As for that round, deimos has some dumb strategies that he likes to use and I would've slapped some sense into him had I not been recording a demo of my models warping and frapsing it into the above posted avi. Actually I didn't even know we were going rt hive until i replayed that avi with the sound on and heard Deimos's deadpanned voice say "Slipknot rt, hive" Had I payed attention to that I wouldve threated to castrate Deimos if we went rt hive.
6 March 2007, 17:07
As for the strat, we were supposed to go straight hive with waste hive. We never do good on tanith anymore and lost has always been a terrible map imo.
6 March 2007, 17:49
May want to remember though that the team who's taken 8 rounds off you in the last two meetings was formed by me and Fana though, only reason I don't play is because i'm not able to in university. This ninelegends is a damn sight better than you and it's not even a touch on the orginial team we formed featuring such european legends as morphz, fana, pantsu, aa, frg, avex, ed|rush, n44bj and myself. So yeh I guess there's your modern day reference too.
6 March 2007, 19:19
"Oh yeh guys I came up with this great strategy, what we're going to do is get a really late hive because they don't even matter and only drop 1 chamber. It'll work because we'll drop a random OC in cargo to slow them down for 3 minutes!"
6 March 2007, 19:26
6 March 2007, 19:29
It worked vs LTDM and has worked many times in the past. Of course against better shooters, our skulks aren't always good enough to keep our nodes up, but then again, what's the difference if we drop 1-2 nodes compared to 4 if our skulks can't stop the pressure team.
Believe it or not, there are strats other than your cookie-cutter "beat the other team with skill" that can win a game. We aren't as good a team as nL, especially individual skill wise. When most of your team comes into the game expecting to lose, it doesn't go so well. Notice how we didn't even bother to try to get them to restart our marine round where Slipknot was afk the entire round.
As for the match against <3, I thought that was against Knife. Either way, I really don't care. That nsi tournament was when reflect was still an omega team in CAL, gj on beating us. Btw, we never won CAL, we've always been a top 2nd-3rd team in CAL after that omega season. We don't really care if we're not the best, we aren't claiming to be. We've been more successful than most american and euro teams, that's all I care about.
NL IS BETTER THAN REFLECT. Is that what you're trying to hear? Because myself and most of my team aren't denying that fact. A lot of us have been playing for a while, however, can you really improve your hand-eye coordination even after playing a game for years? Not really. That's why I don't play cs. Milo has improved drastically from being the worst marine on reflect to one of our better ones (mostly due to upgrading his computer). I really don't see the point in making fun of anyone's skill in this game.
"You're satisfied with a tie? Nice underdog mindset right there."
Actually, I am. I really don't care if I'm the best at a video game like a lot of you seem to. I can have fun playing the game no matter the skill level I have.
"I congratulate you guys on turning what was originally a fun match into a retarded flamewar, well fucking done. Want to take a guess at what I'm going to remember from this whole ordeal? It won't be the fun I had while playing the match, that's for sure."
Look who started the comments, idiot. You say this is all non-sense, well, if you weren't so butt-hurt over what chuck was saying in game, which he was obviously just trying to get on your nerves (he seems to have succeeded) then most of us wouldn't have come posting here.
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ROJ
6 March 2007, 20:53
Reflect, until recently, has been a team that would beat teams with strat. We used a lot of successful awkward strats to overcome better skilled teams. Basically, the element of surprise gave us an advantage over our opponents. This is what made Reflect back in the day and why playing for Reflect was so fun.
Few points you may not know,
Reflect was the first (american at least) team to switch to MC as a first chamber before the free chamber upgrades were implemented. After which, all american teams switched to MC first.
Reflect was the first team to take a round in a match off Terror using our JP Rush to kill alien nodes and play against 2 hive alien strat.
I thought I had more, but I just had a brain fart and can't think right now.
Hopefully you can see where I'm getting at. Back in the day when me and duo (mostly duo) were Reflect's only good shooters, it was our strats that pulled out the wins. Now that me and duo both are lacking on marines, that we have other good marines and that there are no teams to scrim to practice our strats, we hardly doing anything out of the ordinary.
Yea, some of our strats were plain dumb and just didn't work, we normally found that out during scrims. It's now either we do a normal strat or risk an out of the ordinary strat with no scrimming. So, don't criticize my strats when you have no idea how our team performs using your strat.
6 March 2007, 20:53
for a while we even had it in the NS wikipedia
6 March 2007, 23:07
LOL. I love you deimos.
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FOLD
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p.s. america dont whine about anything you read on this site. i remember the cal forums being nothing more than trying to get shock value out of saying nigger or power level over 9000.
although we discuss ns here, we are 99% joking just as you guys are.
7 March 2007, 16:21
Then they write fucking essays to argue about absolutely nothing at all, congradulations.
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youre no longer my second favourite spaniard :<
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who will be drama queen
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1 April 2007, 02:05
was it this EU-NA match or the other one where the americans released screenshots of their wallhacks?
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