As many of you have seen, this is the time to talk about compmod changes and balancing. There are many opinions and oppositions and agreements on different changes. This theorycrafting is still very much a mess and very obtuse throughout the divisions. There is no one correct answer. The skill gaps between division 4-1 is mind boggling. There are different balance changes called forth from all over the board and all across the divisions. We need to address these so every player in every division gets a fair shot and not stomped over by higher division players calling forth nerfs/buffs to certain aspects of the game the lower divisions seem as unfair and vice versa.

To name one example, the cyst change wasn't even a threat in the lower divisions. I don't think anyone from lower div 1 to div 4 even knew what the hell the cyst change was even supposed to address. Or perhaps they didn't notice it. Many others, mainly mega, have stepped up to address certain aspects of this game that most players don't even think twice about. Exos, flamethrowers, hand grenades, arc speed boost to name a few.

So this brings me to why I created this thread. I believe there are many bright players in this community. I believe we have equal say and equal opportunity to make the best compmod iteration yet. I believe everyone deserves a fair say and fair vote in this matter. That's why I want to call forth a teamspeak meeting of anyone willing to share their thoughts in to this matter to create the best competitive RTS/FPS shooter this world has ever seen!

That was a little over the top, but we really need to organize and talk about this stuff, guys and gals. Not saying anything is probably the worst thing you could do at this point in time. So I was going to suggest meeting on TS3 ensl.org tomorrow February 28, right after the all star game.

This would require the admins of the NSL to also attend and be present to state their arguments and opinions on the matter. It would also be very beneficial if most of the teams attend this as well. Seeing as how this will affect you and your team.

So if someone can spread the word about this better than me, please do. A post on the front page, twitter, steam announcements etc.


EDIT: SUNDAY 29TH FEBRUARY 20:00 CET

FOR AMERICANS THAT'S 2:00 EST

incoming ban from zefram in 5, 4, 3, 2....

I'll be there. No reason not to.

Personaly i think a Saturday evening dosnt have many people online to be there but i try my best to message people in my Friendslist.

But it would be far easier to message people with a Set time like:
"28 February 20:00 CET"
or something.
instead of
"After the NSL all-star Games"

BTW try to get somebody Recording this so in case anyone would like to watch it later he/she can.

As Schu has mentioned on his post, this meeting will be held on Sunday, at 20 CET / 2 EST on the NSL Teamspeak.
Feel free to go on http://www.twitch.tv/heftydk tomorrow as stated on the front page to have a quick overview on the latest CompMod changes. You're more than welcome to try out this version of the CompMod as well and share your feedbacks.

To those in charge of this meeting: Please post an organized agenda beforehand so everyone knows whats going to be addressed so this meeting runs smoothly.. So like:

A) Introductions
B) Current changes to Comp
C) New ideas for comp
etc...

I still stand at my point, there is 2 great players/referees/casters that deserver more glory than anybody. That's Simple and Vindaloo.. They really put effort into creating a ladder, where the difference would've been that much of an issue between the teams, they asked all the leaders trough a private message, and i think maybe 2-5 of the leaders responded trough all of the 30 teams that registered to the awesome Season 6.

Imho this issue should've been brought up more by our all mighty leader Zefram in the Frontpage.. As everybody knows.. the PM system in this homepage works the same as the USA goverment with more debt to the world than a homeless who've actually been guilty to be too poor..

So.. the point where im trying to get to at, this season will be a joke.. Season 5 was a "test season" from the beggining, and sorry that DWG recruited some players who wanted to have fun, but now we've forced to play in freaking div.1 where it's already decided who's the winner (Congratulations Herakles, it's a well deserved team with good players, no doubt) but to have that team with players who wants to have fun rather than stomp or be stomped and just play "competitive". I mean take the difference between CS:GO

It's not like when you play competitive there or FACEIT that you play against teams that's either equally to you, or a troll smurf account. But here you wind up with the best of the best, where you know you dont have a chance... that's why a ladder would be the best in this small kind of competitive.

This kind of divisions is what killing the game, you either have to FORFEIT,have fun, or get stomped, and that's the mentality in this whooooole freaking division and ensl that's killing the game, there is 0 balance... and im sorry to HBZ for having Pipo as a merc (yes a douchy move, but he flashes all the time :) ) but you guys know yourselves when we played the final, that you didnt train at all during the holidays....

EDIT: just remembered, this is the 3rd post that i dont troll... WHAT IS GOING OON?! GOD DAMMIT (Jaivol)

If there would be a division, it's shouldve been look something like this : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S2FR3-AZkzr2C51w2s5Ug3UqpkvqOWfzECFmqwPcMA0/edit#gid=0

Which is fare more better than the current "seedings" where 0 work has been put into

Perhaps you're right Ryssk. This may be a topic that is brought up at the meeting on sunday. Discussing anything related to balance, such as seedings, may be warranted for change. This is why ALL teams need to be there. This community is small enough that 1 person from each team can make this.

@Ryssk.
The seeding is exactly why I will be there. Since I don't play comp anymore I will let other people handle the balance but I will come to address things like seedings and the like.

schu says

This is why ALL teams need to be there. This community is small enough that 1 person from each team can make this.

So since ContagiouS is nowhere to be seen usually, so i guess i will be trying to represent for him and on behalf of el'pheer on sunday.

Unique says

schu says

This is why ALL teams need to be there. This community is small enough that 1 person from each team can make this.

So since ContagiouS is nowhere to be seen usually, so i guess i will be trying to represent for him and on behalf of el'pheer on sunday.

You sir.. do that! Dont have to be representative, just a teammate who can represent it to each member, and the members can communicate trough that person!

Elikkä kaljat nussimaan ja nasiet siivomaan!: )

Everyone is welcome, you don't have to have only 1 member. Everyone has different opinions. Bring your entire team if you want.

Btw its Sunday 1st march. ^^
So people in parallel universe do not get confused.

wow ok march 1st

Who is going to decide which of the ideas from the plebiscite are going to be implemented?

If everyone has an equal say then I am concerned it will turn into the mod version of the Ideas and Suggestions NS2 sub-forum.

As a Reminder

The Balance meeting is this Sunday 1. March 2015 on 20:00CET on the ensl.org Teamspeak 3
please be there.

What allready has been talked about on the last Comp Mod Balance meeting
and how this whole talk is gonna look/sound like you can find out here:


http://www.ensl.org/topics/1196
just watch the youtube clips on which topic your interested in on that theard.



Also please Read:
The changelog of Comp mod V4:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zakk3sA3baVwrGThn_xSrOF3BSSBRajrNdQGkdG28Qc/edit

The complete Changelog of Comp mod V3:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YOnjJz6_GhioysLaWiRfc17xnrmw6AEJIb6gq7TX3Qg/edit



So you can have your first questions allready answerd by these
or make you able to bring good questions in and/or make your questions more fact knowledge based.

Ryssk says

Unique says

schu says

This is why ALL teams need to be there. This community is small enough that 1 person from each team can make this.

So since ContagiouS is nowhere to be seen usually, so i guess i will be trying to represent for him and on behalf of el'pheer on sunday.

You sir.. do that! Dont have to be representative, just a teammate who can represent it to each member, and the members can communicate trough that person!

Elikkä kaljat nussimaan ja nasiet siivomaan!: )

I listened to the recording of this meeting, and hear nothing from Unique, I was very sad. I will at great haste inform ContagiouS of this utter lack of respect for performing their duties as a representative of our glorious organization.



ps. thanks for making me chuckle WOB.

Iots says

Ryssk says

Unique says

schu says

This is why ALL teams need to be there. This community is small enough that 1 person from each team can make this.

So since ContagiouS is nowhere to be seen usually, so i guess i will be trying to represent for him and on behalf of el'pheer on sunday.

You sir.. do that! Dont have to be representative, just a teammate who can represent it to each member, and the members can communicate trough that person!

Elikkä kaljat nussimaan ja nasiet siivomaan!: )

I listened to the recording of this meeting, and hear nothing from Unique, I was very sad. I will at great haste inform ContagiouS of this utter lack of respect for performing their duties as a representative of our glorious organization.



ps. thanks for making me chuckle WOB.

lots please, priority speakers imba and also i did talk at the very beginning but i suppose Yaluzan decided to cut me out of the recording for some reason.

@Unique I just started recording like 2-3 minutes before the meeting time....