We did not have any other players ready, so we tried to use a merc, I don't understand why you wouldn't either allow this merc or call for a replay at a later date.

Please respond Jiriki.

You think that kind of benefit (replay for players with connection problems) is not abusable?

That's almost as brilliant idea like auto-replay for stuck fades.

The point is that we did not abuse it, tell me where we did and I will agree with you.

I'm just saying if we force rescheduling when a team cannot yield players because one or more of the players have been removed / banned for whatever reasons, people could break the rules intentionally to get the game rescheduled.

So I'm not saying you abused (or would abuse it) but its always possible and you need to understand the bigger picture.

WE rescheduled it because vital didn't have players, at that time, and when we couldn't custer a 6th up we was forced to play other game! that is both a biased action and also breaches our fair play rule! <-- which you have avoided answering for quite awhile.

I understand this, but as I said you need to allow for the moments when this is clearly the wrong course of action.

Quite frankly I don't care any more, I guess that was what you were hoping for since you have consistently shown that you are wrong.

Nice to know the admins are completely useless around here isn't it everybody?

sublime, don't go off topic and go back to the real topic comment post=P

Vital breached no rules.

RAWR thought everyone could hold hands and heal the world, but instead Vital stuck the rule book in your ass and fucked you.

Lessons learned: Never trusted a Dane and take your fucking forfeits.

Welcome to online gaming, occasionally your players will be unavailable due to unforeseen circumstances; arrange substitutes (it's the semi-finals!).

Just so you know Jiriki the comments I'm about to make I actually mean, rather than what I usually do, which is post shit to gauge people's reaction.

You are an ignorant, egotistical, inexperienced, mentally defective person.

Like I said Doctor, enforce the fucking forfeit.

Nah it's just Jiriki. (Uh oh!)

i demand a third party admin takes control =]

i'm suprised that another admin hasn't stepped in yet, or is pointing out ur on staff teams fault wrong?

Wrong?

I follow rules and you call it wrong. The fact that you replay a forfeit, does not give you any special permissions. You need to follow all rules, including having players on, or you get forfeit or something worse depending on the violation.

This is a moment when I'm considering quiting the whole league and let you or other guys (WHO KNOW BETTER), run the league and see how fun it is when all you do is enforce a rule by request, you get all this fucking shit and whine, and then some people have the cheek think they are somehow victims of this. But I guess your (Sub) agenda is to piss admins off so ENSL will die. Other rawr players are just repeating same mantra, even though they don't understand they are just cutting their own tree.

Yeah I think you are showing how adult you guys are by spamming "it was just a pcw" -argument with 10 players and think you can get it right, and hopefully admins will just love their job more and do more unpaid while you continue on doing that.

My agenda is to prove you wrong.

YOU SHOULD HAVE BANNED TOM FROM PLAYING.

THAT IS THE RULE.

I decided to use admin's right to exception (1.3) and let lump play but not allow him fade or lerk.

Ow this is following the RULES??? Cool.

I did not once say that it was a pcw.
I do not want ENSL to die.
I reasonable argued my points and you were just wrong.

So you are whining for not banning him completely but showing some MERCY to him. That's just great.

You still wouldn't get reschedule, even if he was disallowed to play completely so I don't see the difference.

well u had like sanguin on most time and letting lump play as skulk was actually a gift from jiriki, instead of banning him totally from the semi.

everyone who has eyes can see on the demos his fade beiing unhitable on metal due to warp, dunno why no one of us complained about it earlyer i was late home sorry.

we really like to play games and not take forfeits but playing a semi with an unhitable player, what u guys think we are, stupid=?

What is wrong with debating the rule enforcement? It seems like the only "adult" as you put it, course of action.

I agree smoke, just let us replay it!?

If you both agree, you can replay it for all I care.

What does big banana say, probably a no but Im willing to replay, dunno about the others

i say no

"What is wrong with debating the rule enforcement? It seems like the only "adult" as you put it, course of action."

Do you really think its fun running this league, especially yesterday when I had to get my own team to wait hours, and suddenly when I enforce a rule, I have to wait and argue with some bricks for 20 minutes and today even more (for hours). You really think this is fun when I don't get paid for this? Really?

And all I did was enforce a written rule, by showing a little mercy too which Vital didn't seem to object.

The moment the game started RAWR lost all previous claims to a forfeit win.

Jiriki did his best to avoid a forfiet and used his magical admin powers to allow lump to play in a manner that would minimise the impact of his warping.

Sublime's argument seems to be that by allowing lump to play you did, in fact, not enforce the rule which states that lump should not have played.

This argument seems trivial to me because the end result would have been the same: Vital would have not allowed a merc and RAWR would have lost (by forfiet).

I'm all up for civil discussion. And if you have a suggestion for rule updates, please post it on feedback forums. We did a thread for input before the start of this season, just so people could give some feedback about the rules and not whine when they are enforced.

However all this nagging, whining and debating in a game (and even today) is just pain for the other team, admins, spectators which delays the game and eats all motivation from people to participate and admins to work for common benefit.

"RAWR would have lost (by forfiet)."
Just to point out, I'm 99% sure they were not allowed to forfeit.

youre missing the bigger picture, TTS LOST AHAHAHAH YOU FUCKING HUNGARIAN SHITHEADS EAT SHIT

Jiriki wouldent this prelonging under the game fall under the rule "obv waisting a member of the ensl staffs time"? Because i sure know it was a pain in the ass around 11 aclock sitting and listening to all this whine..... !

hmm crap matches.... poor Lump with his shit connection, no wonder he is an island tbag

To be honest Im very disapointed in Vital, I just found out that rarw did have a chance to use a merc which Vital denied them...Rawr could have just taken the forfeit and gone on to the finals, instead they let Vital replay the game, and this is how you guys thank them for being good sports, well done...

Whats this? A troll war without Adam "troll" Firth?

No you're wrong admirable because when vital didn't have 6 we allowed a replay, so they would've done the same.

Anyway Jiriki if you had a life you wouldn't be arguing this for hours and hours you fucking spastic.

Do I remember incorrecty or didnt rawr had a change to replay the game before next sunday two haurs before default time?

And you they refused.

No need for insults people, jiriki tried a compromise, it may not have been the best decision but as far as I know Rawr did agree to play with those restrictions so theres nothing to talk about. Its over, the resault stands and while Vital may not have been good sports on the merc issue you guys arent exactly shining at the moment either.

well macpersil isnt really div2 semifinal merc in my opinion.

I was completely reasonable until I realised Jiriki just wanted div2 title so he shafted us because yo-clan clan aka ns-force are shite...

Oh right, I thought Vital was better than your team and hoped rawr could pull a shotgun rush or something, so we could face them in finals.

Anyway, its not very likely we are gonna get div2 title. But if say so, I cannot change your mind. I'm sorry but you really have to quite biased glasses to think I follow rules just to get div2 title - sure.

Are you really saying I enforced the rule just to get div2 title? You cannot possibly consider the possibility that I enforced the rule because I knew I would get a massive shitstorm if an admin wouldn't follow rules.

Seriously, its a really simple question.
Do you want use to follow rules or not?

yes, but only if they suit him

Who in ^rawR? said we wanted to replay? i wanna know, i havent been on for a week, havent spoken to anyone, but as i remember, We took the forfeit, Admirable knew about it, Who from Rawr wanted to replay? tell me right now.

Sublimes Diary page 213.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think we should have replayed another day. Rawr were nice enough to allow a replay when we didn't have players. It's just a shame that our german/danish teammates are hard ass knobs..oh well, sorry rawr :(

nobsock - a sock that you put your nob in

jiriki it was 6-4

You need one big sock for that head Noblime.

The moment the game starts a team loses all previous claims to a forfeit win.

Yes/No? Yes, i'm afraid.

Vital said no to macpersil because they deemed him better than you. You can't argue with this. Likewise, you can't complain that you were unable to find a different replacement as it's your responsibility (I also find this hard to comprehend). So you offer *ONE* *TOP-FLIGHT* player to replace one tominator *cough* and moaned when they said no. You then couldn't find any replacement and whined that tom couldn't fade (lol - and this is after a courtesy on jiriki's part to let him play in the first place). You then whined that tom had 50 res and a terrible score. You then whined that you had "lost the motivation to play" (haha). You then whined that we didn't bar tom completely in the first place (my god, are you devolving?).

does shit devolve into a lump sir.

To get things straight, which combination of the following are you complaining about?

1) The replay being allowed
2) The replay being played with both teams having to follow rules
3) The ping rule being used by vital in response to a supposedly laggy player
4) Jiriki allowing tom to play under the condition that he couldn't take lifeforms
5) Jiriki allowing tom to play in the first place
6) Jiriki suggesting a merc be used
7) Vital saying no to macpersil
8) The community not offering itself up to you in macpersil's place
9) Jiriki saying that if rawr couldn't field a team, it would be vital's forfeit win (this is #1)
10) Vital being dicks
11) Admins being dicks

?

12 i don't give a shit no more.

ridiculous

Voodo, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it:

ns_veil 1-1 : 1-1
ns_origin 1-1 : 2-2
ns_metal 1-1 : 3-3
ns_tanith 2-0 : 5-3

nah tanith was 1:1 with, after that i commanded and we won on lucid :D

shut up smoke you are dire

#4, #7, #10, #11

;)

Altbst all you do is post 'Dear Diary'. GET A FUCKING CLUE EVERYONE SAID THAT WHEN THEY WERE 12. You spend around 6 days a fortnight sitting at your computer on ventrilo saying DOMINING, 8DOM8 and ILL NEVER PLAY GAYLIENS, WHY ARE YOU EMULATING A FUCKTARDED AMERICAN. GET A FUCKING JOB OR DIE. People like you should be culled.

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

n1 Starchy D:

I rarely say them phrases Shitchy,

Page 23 Starchy's Diary : I got up today looked in the mirror, realized what a ugly motherfucker i was. I then went down to the shops to buy some balls, now i'm going to try use them on alty. Now that you have balls you can start playing sprogga?

8DOMDOMDOMDOMINING8

To stoned to figure out some fanzy pants comment for this stupid ass comments some ppl made about the semi`s... All i can say is that tweadles post covers the most... I mean sit back and THINK! why we felt it was kinda weird playing vs a fade that were fucking teleporting (not blinking)

Jiriki.. the whole point Sublime and other are trying to make:

Vital was allowed to replay. Rawr was not.

Meaning Vital could not field a full team during the first match, replaying the last rounds as result.
During the replay Vital got, Rawr no longer had a full team to field, and they were not allowed to replay another time!

Try being fair to both teams would be a good idea. If you don't want 2 replay's for 1 match, make a rule.. it would be a stupid rule though.

We are trying to finish ENSL 10 before 2009.
Every week that goes by whilst RAWR and Vital replay is a week where all the other teams are sitting idle.
Time and the schedule is one of the most important factors in our admin decisions.

Both teams agreed to replay and once the game had started RAWR lost their previous forfeit win. Sportsmanship does not grant you any special privileges or exemption from the rules of league.

I don't recall any admin actually saying that they couldn't replay again. If both teams agreed to replay and the game was played before the scheduled finals on Sunday 22nd June, I don't see any reason why they couldn't.

I think that this season has been total failure. There has been so many forfeits and drama. Plus admins have just bragged with their authority by banning players from league.

This season has not been good because I let the season slip into summer, that was a bad decision. I thought the summer wouldn't cause inactivity this soon, but now it did and I'm not gonna repeat the mistake. But I don't regret banning people who harrass us. Most people who criticize us from that have never been head admins or had to take any of this crap. Like I said previous head admin(s) quit because they were not interested in arguing for nothing on their free time. This season instead of using /ignore I tried /kickban to see if it would make people be more decent with us next time.

"This season instead of using /ignore I tried /kickban to see if it would make people be more decent with us next time." -jiriki
And make big news out of it!

I think you just have lost all of your respect admins by posting these drama things straight to frontpage. When leagues admins lose respect the league it self will lose respect.

Scale, I don't care about respect. If the only thing I care about was respect, I would always take the popular choice without caring about the rules. If we lose respect for following our rules, so be it.

Secondly, if we ban people, there's no point being quiet about it, I explained this in the other news comments. The point of bans is not to whip the shit out of the villains, but serve as an example to other people to not repeat the behaviour. More people know about these, the more people know how to behave. That's why we want to make our bans public.

Clearly too many people haven't got anything else to do, other than natural selection.

no, my current hobby is called: ENSL

it differs quite much from ns

Jiriki of course you need to keep some kind of respect up if you want to be taken seriosly as a admin and not just some clown trying to get order.. That kind of things causes ppl this attitude: "who cares about ensl?"

Arj pls dont comment on things u have no clue about...
We never said we dident want to play vs rarw!!
We said that we did not accsept Macpersil as merc for them instead of tom. Because of the huge skill gap!.
Get a fucking clue about whats going on before u open ure mouth

android, arj never has clue what he is commenting about

arj, fuck off

you are just closing your eyes from the truth!!!!!!!! bow to arj

too long didnt read

LOL arj is agreeing to me, fuck this I'm outta here!

with me*

I'VE GOTTA GET OUTTA HERE BEFORE THESE MORONS INFECT MY BRAINBOX

Still have my scars on my wrist since i agreed with arj. Enjoy sublime! ;)

I think pat is lost forever!

having some player who has not been playing for ages or anyhow active in the community commentating every thing without ANY knowledge about any event is really retarded, so arj pllllllzzzzz shut upppppppp

who is arj?

arja saijonmaa?

Jiriki = Ari = Arj !

congrats vital and ns-f

OTS !!!
A KURVA ANYAD.

Starchy (is vital), on 19/06/2008 @ 18:35 - Posts: 23
who is arj?
I think he is known as ure unknown father!

Their common stupidity proves that theory!

Well there is some kind of link to this i think.... look: Common retard- Starchy - Arj!

lol i r worst tank on wows

pve is hard

By Ots, on 16/06/2008 @ 21:47 - Posts: 137
youre missing the bigger picture, TTS LOST AHAHAHAH YOU FUCKING HUNGARIAN SHITHEADS EAT SHIT

- This is clearly racism, ban him pls;)

Anyway Ots why you hate us so much , you got fragged to much by TTS members? Go to anger managment therapy , it will be usefull;)
PLS REMEBER THIS IS A GAME AND YOU SHOULD AVOID TO USE HUNAGRIANS INSTEAD OF TTS! YOU HATE US NOT OUR NATION (I hope so). WE DONT HATE YOUR NATION , JUST YOU ... and as my pal Soldier said KURVA ANYAD + MOCSKOS GECI FASZOPO

nemnem.. a faszopo az én szöevegem. FASSSSZOPÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓ