How long are we talking? Weeks? Months?

and how hard are we talking?

like, working hard? or like, hardly working?

Just let it die, honestly. UWE needs to own up to their arrogance and thus mistakes and bite a bullet.

Do you really expect UWE to stop what theyre working on and immediately implement comp mod, NSL mod, NS2+ into the base game? This isn't going to happen

What are some serious expectations from UWE to resolve this?


TBH at the end of the day, if the comp community wants to carry on as things were (balance changes, NSL mod), they're going to have to do it for themselves.

Can I help by saying I can contribute to development of either mods, is this the kind of solution they are looking for, for issue #1?

Edit: Can I say that this is part of the problem, I'm not even sure what solutions the modders are looking for... I think they need to be a bit more specific

@Sardine - I know for a fact that obraxis is gathering up intel and looking to make a "tournament" mode like the nsl mod. They are in fact already in pre-production on the NSL mod so to speak. However, the time horizon is weeks, not days.

Nice collective suicide.

And why hasnt it been done like 2-3 years ago? Why rely on somebody who's doing the work for free? They just thought he would stick around for 10 more years? Damn son.. their planning is top notch i got to say!

@ryssk: because you don't pay people to reinvent the wheel.

@ryssk, you describe mendasp's frustrations pretty well.

http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/comment/2274525/#Comment_2274525

I still dont understand your point depara.. You're saying that we should just play vanilla and accept the fact that UWE ignored the biggest changes that were needed for the game and relied on free workers?

Thats the nature of modding, you know. People invest there spare time to make improvements, new textures, maps, balancing or whatever.
So you want it in vanilla while noone says its should be part of vanilla cause evil uwe would steal the work then?
So again, WHAT DO YOU want?
All i hear is, UWE didnt listen to us.
Listen to what?
You have a mod, wich is under full control of the modder and not under the control of evil UWE.
The modder can do whatever he wants instead of begging to implement new parts of the mod to game.
So wtf is your problem here.

The problem is modders (and server ops) are constantly having to fix and update their mods when UWE is releases rapid patches to the game. For example Kaneh's comment

de Para wtf are you talking about here dude
"So you want it in vanilla while noone says its should be part of vanilla cause evil uwe would steal the work then?"

"So again, WHAT DO YOU want?
All i hear is, UWE didnt listen to us."
What do we want, UWE pls fix the game bugs that have existed forever/ don't make the modders lives hard?

"You have a mod, wich is under full control of the modder and not under the control of evil UWE.
The modder can do whatever he wants instead of begging to implement new parts of the mod to game.
So wtf is your problem here."
Can we not rely on modders to fix the game and make it playable pls? That or UWE doesn't make the modders lives hard?

Guys this is the same guy that shut down the best EU pub server because it was "never full" (and had ranks that showed people played 1000s of hours on it)

dePara, you don't seem to understand what the problem is, and if you don't get it now, you never will. Just walk away.

Gonna have to ask again, cause all of you are talking shite, Can I help by saying I can contribute to development of either mods, is this the kind of solution they are looking for, for issue #1?

Small tip: You will ALWAYS need some kind of mod for competitive.
It wasnt an issue for how long, 3 years? 4 years?
And in that moment new lights get implemented, it is suddenly?
What a joke.

And small sidenote to the server:
Hosting a server from datacenter cost money, Just take a look what a beefy dedi server cost per month * 3,5 years.

Ah , and another thing:
NS2+ didnt break with every patch cause its based on shine.
A shine based NSL mod wouldnt break either with every patch.
Didnt know why compmod breaks with every patch, so this is the only mod that need investigation.

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Gonna have to ask again, cause all of you are talking shite, Can I help by saying I can contribute to development of either mods, is this the kind of solution they are looking for, for issue #1?

@paddy you would really have to talk to the owners of said mods.

NS2+ is not based on shine at all.

NS2+ is resilient to updates because any features are implemented in the most future-proof way possible. Additionally I still have access to internal repos and can make adjustments ahead of patches, and because internally they test new builds with it so it's always prepared for patches.

Mendasp: put NS2+ back on Steam, and someone else: make a balance mod and we can all go back to our routine instead of having this bullshit strike that will accomplish nothing for a dead game.

mediocrates: if it accomplishes nothing, Mendasp has 0 motivation to maintain the mod. Meaning he can put it back up, but the next patch will make it break, and who's going to fix it? Not him, so then it will be gone again. So why even bother putting it back up? Especially for people like you?

I don't think you realize that you're not in a position to make demands to mendasp, of all people, when you want him to provide you a service.

Really well said Simba

Lol thanks for killing comp scene, bullshit time wasted on this game. Should have thought of never making comp mod or ns2+ if you can't deal with all the bullshit you knew was going to be associated with it, uwe just want money they don't fucking care about all you fucks like me we are pointless to them. If you want money dragon and mendasp to keep updating I would gladly donate but next time don't take a mod down because some fucktards made you mad instead think about the 200 other people you are hurting. Anyway rip

Tap, they don't want money. Go read.

I'm not reading shit, I already know what there talking about. It was stupid for it to be taken down in the first place. Delaying season 9 and killing the community more. It's stupid that no one else can upload it and fix it, it's not gods work. He did a great job, fucking awesome dragon. In a community so small and tightly knit, taking down a major mod just to get uwes attention did literally nothing except fuck this game more. Ggs

actually my goal was to make you quit, so if you are done ill go reupload the mods now.
thx

#Dragontherealmvp

Im happy you love me so much, but bs aside. Nice mod, just the reasoning of it being taken down is a little irritating. But you made it so your choice, i just feel like you hurt the community more, yeah uwe is fucking retards that dont know shit about there own game. We get that, you want reimbursement for your hard work? Make a donations tab im sure you will able to buy alot of salt with that money.

No motivation to maintain the mod? I'm with tap here, if you need donations to motivate you, fine. Sign me up. Not enough for you? Then don't maintain it, fuck off and quit the game and let the comp. scene die or let someone else do it, but don't dangle it front of our faces expecting to get a reaction out of a company who clearly doesn't give a fuck about you or the competitive scene. What is the expected result here? Who are you really hurting? What do you want from us?

It's not about money, good rant though.

Sardine you don't seem to understand the arguement but okay.

I think it matters what comes out of it. Sure, if it's just like before or you guys lose motivation to keep up with the mods, then this basically held ns2 comp scene hostage for a few days to a week or whatever it ends up being. If something positive comes out of it, then maybe it was worth it. I appreciate the work that goes into these mods, I want them maintained and continued to be worked on. You guys also fix bugs that I can't trust UWE will ever work on. So I just want some positive outcome, and I can't blame people for being impatient.

Nah tap, I agree with you. I'm salty about not being able to play, and being kept in the dark as well. But bitching at dragon/mendasp is not going to help.

We're in the middle of this, but there's nothing much we can do, it's up to UWE and the modders to work out the issues in the original post.

Hmm ever think that if you are in the middle, that it might be intended? I get you might be really upset because a mod has been missing less than a week, but posts like yours really are not helping your case lol.

I was maintaining the mods for a long time before and never asked for anything, nothing has changed. Maintaining the mods has never really been an issue, only CompMod ever had occasional issues.. But recently I thought what the hell maybe I'll play again. So in playing I starting fixing some bugs... and suddenly I am became a bug reporting system... and a patch revert-er... and personal tissue dispenser.... and before I knew it I was coding more than playing again.. was great fun.

I am generous to a fault but I am also not stupid. I ended up in a situation where there was no way out.. and given the community's complete inability to conduct themselves in any kind of reasonable fashion on the UWE forums.. and being trapped as one of the few remaining voices of comp play... and doing UWE's work... for a bunch of children that make posts like above? Man, what I am thinking...

loMe says

The problem is modders (and server ops) are constantly having to fix and update their mods when UWE is releases rapid patches to the game. For example Kaneh's comment

This is not the issue. All three mods are relatively robust (CompMod and NSLMod a tad less than NS2+ because they have to touch so much code). If you want more insight into why Dragon took his mods down, read his comments here or my post here

@tap - They've been down less than a week. Get over it. Noone's killing anything.

Think I stumbled upon a salt mine.

alright friends lets channel all these sensible arguments to the UWE forums where we can passionately speak about how much we LoVE NS2. take MOMOhandset. what an upstanding citizen with a unique story.

read about it: http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/140969/ns2news-org-poll-how-important-are-mods-to-your-everyday-ns2-game

and speak up about the things you love! you can't just take them for granted.

Well im done here, but just wanted to brush up on one last thing maybe 2. This game (which i love) is put into 1 persons hand really. And you know what im happy with the mod you made and it really did improve the game alot in all aspects and i respect you. Yeah i can be a dick, but honestly sometimes you gotta take a hit and make alot of people happy. I dont think you understand how passionate all of these players who want to play compmod are, and the fact that you take away that really saddens me. I love this game and theirs nothing like it, but me finally looking to shy away from it is surprising and i hope not many people follow my suit but its looking grim. Gathers were at an all time high, so were scrims and people playing the game its self competitively. Ns2 was looking bright, now things have turned for the worst and its looking dead. Yeah its been a week, but sometimes things are very time sensitive and stuff like this can really drop a rise in players. Anyway best of luck and i hope things get back to where they were 2 weeks ago. :)

NotDragon says

.... and before I knew it I was coding more than playing again.. was great fun.

Let me help you there, I would be more than happy to contribute. I know there are other developers in the community too...

I really do not understand why people's anger is aimed at the modders. The fact is that UWE fucked up and never did these things themselves. EVERYTHING dragon did was BONUS. You self-entitled fucks should remember that and respect that. You can't simultaneously say "good job ur the best" and "fuck your feelings, ure our slave".

Jesus christ, some of you guys are fucking unbelievable. Have some fucking empathy for other people.

@Paddy: check this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YOnjJz6_GhioysLaWiRfc17xnrmw6AEJIb6gq7TX3Qg/edit

and make a new one. thx

Shock, HORROR!... @wob, I 100% agree with you on something... this is a rare occasion no? :P

I honestly can't understand why so many people are like "this game is unplayable without the mods... so I blame the modders!"
Really?... honestly?... can you NOT understand why the modders are pissed? YOU blame the MODDERS for not wanting to fix the unplayable nature of NS2.
How about you do something useful instead of bitch and moan like children and get on the UWE forums and tell UWE to fix their shit instead of relying on modders to do it for them?

UWE are creating more and more bugs... almost with every patch it seems... then they are making maintaining mods more difficult by adding in more extensions.
Your response should be to go to UWE and tell them what they are doing.
Your response should NOT be to blame modders for not wanting to continue to fix UWEs fuck ups.

I have no faith in uwe actually complying with anything and want to see the mods back at work even though uwe is trash and they are. I am willing to donate and many more are as well.

Or Paddy can do maintenance on the compmod and possibly ns2+ like he's stating and you modders don't have to go back to doing so much work. What I'm saying is be ahead of the pact and work past uwes stupidness.

*Leaning back while i'm eating my popcorn*

ddddddRama and not only ensl drama. Game on kiddos

Withdrawal is a wicked

wut, somebody still playing this dead game? >_>

"our greatest weakness lies in giving up. the most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time" -TAP

I didn't know salt was liquid but it sure is pouring out of you Tap.

Patience is hard to ask of people in this type of environment. Doesn't mean we have to go on ripping people when we rely on them for the comp gameplay. I think part of this is people having no idea when they are going to get comp games back. People would relax a little if they knew roughly what day they were getting an update on the situation, whether it's positive or not.

yee screw uwe

Cr4zy says

I didn't know salt was liquid but it sure is pouring out of you Tap.

IF you're banned 6 times during 2 years, the salt tends to turn liquid over the course of time

Dean0 wants a new modder slave, Paddy you're it!

yes paddy ask for donations up front, make it a business.

patreon

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Zefram, you seem to enjoy people being upset. I think the whole thing is amusing at a certain level, but I wouldn't enjoy the rage. I think the comp community should at least get an update at some point. Passion for the game isn't a bad thing, only when it goes too far. I would rather see someone care about the game, than not.

Here's an update, NS2+ is going back up again within the next 24 hours unless a meteor strike or something happens.

Ayyy

I'm actually very disappointed with how the competitive scene for NS2 turned out. It mirrors society in the US quite well. Whether through years of complacency or a quiet permissiveness, its people deserve what they get or allow.

Let's also be real, do you think a lynch mob of a few hundred people (if that many at all) really matters at this point in the timeline of NS2? Is your slacktivism going "to move the needle" in a game that's already one foot in the grave (cherry picked & poorly analyzed stats aside)?

And what do you think the competitive community deserves? ANSWERS? Working mods? 99% of you are quiet participants without enough care to even contribute (no, angry misinformed posts aren't contributions) to a society you claim to love and be fervent about. You don't deserve people to work, to create, to fix and improve things for you.

But please, keep the self entitled rage at a rolling boil. Keep being upset without substantial action. Keep the status quo.

I really do hope that you guys get to play a game that you love. Seems like everyone needs to blow off some steam.

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what do you think we should do? We are supporting the modders except for a few people blowing off steam. People have offered to pay, but that isn't the solution or what they want. So our options are to tell UWE that we agree with the modders which some of us have on the forums and to people at UWE, and we can stand with dragon till he gets better things out of this, which we have. Paddy even offered to help out with the mods. What exactly do you want us to do differently? If you mean, you want us to not complain...there will always be complainers. We are still sitting here without a comp game to play supporting dragon and mendasp...most of us.

Zefram, this is why you don't have any friends and everyone hates you lmao. You don't even play anymore yet you chastise the comp community endlessly, and don't know when to stop, you're literally kanye west

http://i.giphy.com/9FbmHLwgEaWL6.gif

Yeah I'm an asshole sometimes whatever. But I'm no emo faggot life zefram you little pussy ass bitch. Go hide back in your cave of ramen and 99 cent diet cokes from McDonald's you class a fuck tard.

Just for interest, cause i never played NS1 competitive:
What was the reason the comp scene died there?

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU; are stupid.... you keep bitching about uwe destroying everything. A vast majority of you guys sit here and bitch about how uwe doesnt fix bugs blah blah. But everyone here bitching HAS NEVER SUBMITTED A BUG REPORT to the uwe forums once. Not a single one of you is a playtester.

If you guys are so compassionate about this game sign up and become a playtester or submit a bug report. HELP uwe fix the issues that you have with the game. Dont just sit here and bitch to mom and dad (dragon and mendasp) for taking your toys away. You guys sit here with compmod which COMPLETELY CHANGES a ton vanilla aspects and ignore every change thats put into vanilla. So how can you sit here and say you love this game when you play version of the game that isnt close to vanilla.

If you guys truly enjoy this game youd take your time and submit a bug report or become a playtester. But you dont. You just sit here and act spoiled 14 year old girls.

Ill be honest zefram and I have had our differences but here. I 100% agree with him

Tico; I don't have any idea how to mod or do anything in that region. I am willing to donate which is far more than enough and if I did mod I would gladly take donations for my work. That's me, I do enjoy this game a lot which I've stated; and wish I could mod because I would try and make a mod like compmod which I can't.

"Not a single one of you is a playtester."

http://i.imgur.com/ZCQ1EaZ.png

Did it for several months in 2014. Was mostly a waste of time being that I couldn't play at 100% without rolling everyone and I wasn't able to really get across my thoughts on game play to anyone there.

It wasn't asked for nor listened to when I projected it.

"EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU ARE STUPID" ~Tico 2016

Gooby pls, if uwe doesn't know the bugs exist in the game that is an embarrassment, that would mean they don't even play the game they made. Even if they don't do you think rant doesn't know what bugs exist? Wasabi? Do you really think PDT doesn't know there are bugs?

migalski says

Zefram, this is why you don't have any friends and everyone hates you lmao. You don't even play anymore yet you chastise the comp community endlessly, and don't know when to stop, you're literally kanye west

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Must be improving though... I'm not Hitler anymore.

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So we have to be a playtester to have the correct support for the game, tico? You really are going to tunnel vision on this one. Yes, we can submit bug reports, hopefully people have. If people aren't doing it enough and that is the issue, then you make a good point. It's like you tried to find something people aren't doing, being a playtester and now blame us all for that? I think you are reaching here. Also, did you look up no comp players are playtesters ever? Also, even if that is the case, why would most of the comp community be play testers when we aren't playing vanilla ns2? So you want a bunch of comp players playing vanilla NS2, playtesting...saying this should be more like comp mod. Most of the comp community didn't think the vanilla vs comp mod issue was probably much of a problem until recently because it was always working.

lock im fully aware of your past being playtester. But what im saying is at least YOU tried.

how many of the people here can say they did that. Im counting about 9 in this thread and thats including you

and deck you are right you dont have to be a playtester to voice your opinion i was kind of vague on that. i could have been a lot more specific but i wasnt. but the problem is until recently because of these events no one has stated their opinion on UWE's direction of their game because all the comp players have comp mod. so they dont give a fuck about what changes in vanilla because compmod protects them

Ok tico you win, most of us aren't playtesters. If only more of us were we wouldn't have this issue. You found a new argument, congrats.

Ok tico - that's true about not voicing their opinion all the time but most of us are playing a game. Not trying to start a revolution. Also, I assumed and maybe others did that comp mod was created because UWE was not balancing the game with comp 6 v 6 in mind and this was a good alternative. It was a win win where everyone got the play style they wanted. Yes I guess I could have been complaining more about it because comp mod is so much better - but why would I? Again vanilla is sometimes playing 16 v 16 - how am I supposed to know what the right balance for that is? I just don't think the argument you are making is reasonable for people before this happened. Did we all appreciate these mods enough before? Most people are just playing the game. I don't think that's crazy or wrong.

UWE balances their game for an 8v8 experience. at least that is their intention. A LOT of the devs very much dislike there being 20v20 servers because they dont believe that is how the game should be played. But they still continue to balance the game with 8v8 teams in mind. And its been 8v8 for as long as i can remember which was well before comp mod even existed

ok whether they balance it for 8 v 8 or not, I still thought it was a win win situation. Doesn't change anything I wrote about why would most people be yelling at UWE 24/7 about this? We thought we had comp mod for a reason and it was working. Now we know it's a huge issue that wasn't sustainable and people are supporting the modders. What else do you want?

NS2+ is back up guys. Calm down.

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Please let this god awful game die. You all need to go out into the real world and learn what human to human communication is instead of sit inside all day playing a game with shit hitreg and abysmal interp. How many times do you get bit from 20 feet away in this game or no reg a perfect meat shot on a fade that would have won the round? This is not a comp game. It is a gimmick that is fun for what it is, but to consider this game for serious competitive play is an outright joke. Everytime I load this game in the past month or so I hate it even more. I used to like it because of the people I played with, but they are all gone now and the warts of this trashpile are really sticking out now.

I get mouselag with 160 FPS. This game literally holds back a persons mechanical abilities, and you are forced to play handicapped and alter your natural play style. This is a serious problem for certain players who utilize their precise and fast tracking. On top of all that you can still aim and position perfectly and get rekt by interp or no regs, or a combination of other anomalies in this fuckpile game. I can count my shots in CS and never have to worry about something no-regging. I can immediately switch to the next target while controlling my spray before I even see the kill message because the game is reliable. You can't do this in NS2 without taking a gamble and a risk. It's these type of mechanics that distinguish what makes a great comp game where your reaction time and mechanical skill actually makes a difference. In this game, shit comes down to a combination of luck and ping and over complicated positioning. You are funneled to play in a safe or defensive posture when you should be able to simply outgun. Half the times you are just rolling a dice and hoping that you reg first or get the shotgun blast in before you get bit. It's pretty retarded that its literally impossible to one shot a skulk without being in bite range. You have to always commit to taking some kind of damage due to the shit balance, melee mechanics and netcode.

The amount of bugs with animation, camera positioning, collision models, hit boxes, and EVERYTHING else in this game is without excuse. Fucking power nodes and infestation? Retarded lighting? Immersion? Guys and gals... there are better games out there to be playing now. Let this piece of trash die. It is not worth anyones effort to make the game barely playable. Even with comp mod and NS2+ this game is fundamentally flawed and fucked. I am so tired of my mouse not responding to my movements, getting random bugs and anomalies, hitreg, and the constant disconnect of what you see on screen and what the server is seeing. Don't you love how the onos can gore you when you are flying 30 feet about its head and outrunning it? This game will never be fixed or properly balanced and the netcode is the worst I've seen in gaming history.

Let the game die once and for all. Go outside. Get a girlfriend or a boyfriend. Go back to school. GET A LIFE. Anyone who is still fighting to put this game on life support should take a serious look at their mental health, and consider how else they could use their time to better their lives. I may sound hypocritical since I have played this game for so many hours, but I want to clarify that the vast majority of my hours were accrued when I was hospitalized and could not walk for several months and was not able to work for almost a year due to medical complications. Honestly, I used this game as an escape and if I had put all the hours I have in this game into something else I would be a much better and happier person today. Imagine putting thousands of hours into art, music, school, anything that will actually have a lasting impact on your life. Go here https://steamdb.info and look yourself up. When I am an old man and I look back at my life and realize how much time I spent playing stupid games like this I will only have regret. It's like that girl in highschool that you never asked out, and now you will have that regret the rest of your life. Please let this game go now. This is the perfect time and the perfect excuse to get out of your destructive addiction.

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It's like all your complaints about the game that you think are holding you so far back all rolled into one.

Plenty of people here just playing for fun at this point and I'd imagine most are at least doing school or work. Most of this post just made me facepalm.

"destructive addiction" B)

"Get a girlfriend or a boyfriend. "

thanks adhd

Way too many US guys in here.

Us Starcetereus | Flightless Lerks
"destructive addiction" B)

I love you all (except zefram)

tap says

I love you all (except zefram)

Even me? oh god what happened to you.

I'm glad you guys can participate again. Let season 9 commence!

It's not about holding me back? I have accomplished all that I wanted to accomplish in this game and more than I thought I would. People like you and your negative ass friends would like to downplay everything about me and give me no credit for anything. Literally every opinion I share about this game you have something to say about (It's uncanny and creepy).

The fact is... these types of bugs and "hold backs" make the game un-fun and not worthwhile to play. I would assume anyone who takes gaming seriously would agree with me, and this is reflected in how little players the game has / the quality of the players. You might be right that most play for fun, but they have taken fun to a whole new level where they would rather not expand their real life and play NS2 instead of go out to a real party. I know many people who do this on a regular basis and they are people I care about. I have seen peoples lives ruined or greatly damaged from this game including my own.

"Some people don't like to party or go out, or have a hobby" *Blah blah blah* this is just a bullshit excuse for people who have social disorders and don't want to face the truth that they have made it worse. It's like a drug addiction. Go ahead and facepalm with your elitist opinion...? I'm tired of your arrogant dismissive personality? I know what you were really like until you let depression and anger overcome your life? Many non-gamers (You know people who have real life talent and friends) would completely agree with me. Their all just idiots though and are too stupid to understand. Not everyone can know everything and see how everything is shit like you. I mean you are so cool and right all the time. My opinions on the game aren't opinions they are just excuses I make up because I am a really bad player. I understand how people behave and it's obvious you think you are above me and how you talk to me reflects that. Even if I outplay you or whoever else consistently and make excellent plays and calls and win championships I won't get any credit for it. I will still be viewed as a bad player because that what you and some others want even though it's not true. I don't bring it on myself like you believe, because other people have no problem with me and in fact love me. It's just the depressed gamer kids who think they have some unique gift from god that don't like me.

I could write a brilliant work of art and you would scoff at it Locklear because you have a bad attitude and a negative outlook towards me. You used to be a bright and happy guy. You could tell by how you spoke. You could hear the sincerity in your voice and your warm demeanor. Now everytime you open your mouth you sound like Dragon or some depressed egoist that is too good for everything. You need to hear yourself speak... its really pathetic, apathetic, and depressing. Actually... you remind me of those nerds in highschool that have never been kissed and talk down to you online or in front of their other nerd friends because they play on a CAL-I counter-strike team. Whatever makes you feel better Lock. I am sure you are so well liked and popular in real life and have literal fans and people who respect you for who you are and what you have done.

Anyway, thanks for your opinion. When I talk to you person to person you are somewhat normal, but you have to put the ADHD hate bash face on to cover your own ass since you have no balls to stand up for people who get bullied. "You're annoying and complain about hitreg" I mean thats really all you ever have to say about me. It's funny because other people don't ever bring it up or care if I complain about obvious huge problems with the game... in fact many join in with me and agree. It's just the elitist fucktards like you that have to act like you above hitreg issues and that if I was just really skilled it wouldn't be a problem. Or that somehow the fact that I get frustrated makes me a person worth antagonizing? You create the problem in your own head by taking me seriously. It's people like you that are the reason I don't play this game anymore. It's funny because without a person like me your position in this game could have been a lot different. You're better and smarter than me in every way inside the game and out though so I don't know why I am wasting my time typing this.

But my opinion still stands that people should quit the game and forget about trying to fix it. I will probably still play some gathers and stuff every once in a while, but I am not going to glue myself to the computer and sit in a mumble channel for 5 hours a night to play for 1 hour. Being on a team in this game is an immense waste of time and puts into question a person mental sanity. I firmly believe that I had major psychological issues going on that made me compelled to "play" this game. In fact, most of the time playing on a team is spent WAITING for a game to even happen. Many times spending 2-3 hours waiting for scrims to start and then they never happen. Rinse and repeat that for days and months and what you have is a person with a serious problem in their life. I can understand if you were being paid or at least a streamer making money. *Facepalm* (Is he seriously still talking about this / writing this? My god he is such a loser.

Try actually considering the things I have said and let them soak in. Maybe you won't be a cunthead if you actually try to convince yourself that I am right and try to understand my side before dismissing everything I say. I mean that not just towards Locklear, but anyone reading this. Please consider letting this game die and doing something more constructive with your life. It's natural for gamers to act tough like they have no emotions, but stop that bullshit. Don't act all tough or apathetic like nothing matters. If you're depressed or unhappy or if you don't feel anything please consider that this game is not helping you and is just an alternate reality. Sure, you may be hot shit in this game, but in reality you are miserable and this alternate reality you made for yourself is only going to hurt you more in the end when you realize its all fake. You all can't let the game die because then you lose your perception of power and control... that you only experience from playing this game. In reality , many of you who are popular in the game are currently failing at life whether you choose to believe it or not. I know that not all people playing this game have a problem, but there are certainly more than a handful that do have a problem.

I apologize for cutting into you so hard lock, but your subtle dismissive attitude towards me really pisses me off. You may not realize it but people look up to you and when they see how you treat me they just copy you. You are essentially spreading hate towards me and its fucked up because I have not done anything to you to deserve such treatment in fact its quite the opposite. If you want me gone then just say it otherwise change your attitude. I do deserve respect believe it or not. I have done a lot of good for the community and contributed to making it a fun experience for many. I don't have to go into detail, but I know that I have had a positive impact on the community and a lot of fun was had when I was around. I understand I have a nasty side that does deserve scrutiny occasionally but it can't be done how you do it, and tbh its not even that bad if you just ignore it. God damn I am bored.

I actually enjoyed the music you linked a few years back, at any rate.. I'm not gonna bother reading all of that but nothing warranting that large of a post was implied by my comments.

If anyone looks up to me, they should find someone else to look up to.

i look up to you

same

):):):)@@

ADHD41 minutes ago
im sure i come off as a douche but if you actually knew me you would realize im actually a really nice guy one you get to know my personality

@phonee Is that quote from ADHD or me? It's eerie. Sometimes I feel like I'm looking into a mirror.

Tico says

If you guys truly enjoy this game youd take your time and submit a bug report or become a playtester. But you dont. You just sit here and act spoiled 14 year old girls.

I would have loved to help out with Playtesting. The whole reason I wanted to join was to get a heads up on new things being implemented into NS2 so I could help prepare the NSL. I submitted an application probably 5-6 months ago. I nudged Pelargir to bug the PT channel about adding me. I don't know how the PTs group is run but if they can't even get back to the NA Admin of the NSL + Div 1 Finalist from last 3 seasons, I wouldn't expect it to be easy for the average NSL user to make the cut.

i've only heard bad things from comp players (that I don't think have any reason to lie) trying to PT.

adhd is a nice guy

ADHD says

I could write a brilliant work of art

Brother, ya already did

ydy says

ADHD says

I could write a brilliant work of art

Brother, ya already did

LOL

ADHD says

and you would scoff at it Locklear

Prophetic too

AHAHHAHHAHAHAHA

ADHD has written 2203 words. Of these words, I have read 0.

Thanks for the share.

@Tico Lol, I am a playtester and a maptester (and newly a map maker too)... @loMe average people get in fine, hence me :P... you should consider poking Decoy or Asraniel to see what happened to your application.

No problem Obraxis. It's for this exact reason why your shit game has failed.

Oh wow you liked my music Locklear. That means that you must respect me somehow? No. Why would you even bring that up? To try to make yourself look like less of an asshole?

Obraxis, and his moronic team of developers who refuse to listen to the advice of superior skilled, and intelligent gamers. You are the type of people who will implement some absolutely retarded feature just because other games do it and it looks "cool" and you do this at the expense of game balance and performance.

The game developers ruined this games potential. It could have been a huge esports game but the repeated shit decisions of the developers squashed any chance of this game having a real chance. They could have listened to the comp community from the beginning and we would likely have sponsored tournaments and prize money leagues right now. I won't even get into the decision to code this game in LUA at the expense of the single most important factor that makes a good FPS.... hitreg and performance.

I am mad at UWE. I do understand the modders position; but I don't like the way the mods are being held over our head. I've known UWE to be a shit developer since day 1, but now all of a sudden you decide to quit supporting your mod because too many people are asking for your help now that you're more active? How about learn to say no, quit being so generous to a shit community for a shit game by shit devs. Or if you can't do that, just leave. But don't hold your mods over our head blaming the community for not speaking up. What do you need the community to do for you to fix your mod? Please someone fucking tell me.

@adhd he's trying to make you feel better OBVIOUSLY
#sabotaged

@medi how about you ask someone over pm then instead of posting so much hate

I want tap, medio, dragon, adhd, and locklear on the next skype/twitch call. Might as well get it all out.

I don't feel bad? I just have a lot of anger towards irrational assholes who don't know what they are talking about. I am sickened by people who are so lonely and depressed that they have to take out their sickness on the easiest people to target. It does bother me, but only bothers me on the principle that those types of people exist. The words they say have no bearing and don't hurt my feelings whatsoever. I would like to feel bad for them, but they are too big of assholes for sympathy.

The fact is, I have had a much more interesting, rewarding, and enjoyable life than they could ever dream of. My only regret is that I put so many hours into this abysmal heap of trash game. I played it for the people not for the gameplay. And those people are gone now.

I'm not trying to make myself look like any less of an asshole, more like just putting down one of your assumptions that I'm just a negative person to the core and not capable of appreciating anything.

You made an awful lot of assumptions about me that aren't true. I'll be the first to admit my faults and at times I can be an asshole. I don't even know why I'm typing this up but I feel like you really want an answer or something.

It's hard for me to respect someone that complains so much about things that while I also used to think were worthy of complaining about, I learned that it just makes you no fun to be around. This is the primary thing, the secondary thing involving skill is only to your benefit.. you're putting up a mental block and disabling yourself from seeing the actual mistakes by blaming it on exterior things such as interpolation or hit registration. This isn't what I was originally alluding to believe it or not but it is part of it.

At the end of the day, everyone deals with it, Learn to find enjoyment in the rest of what is left of NS2 and stop bitching or move on. It's as simple as that.

Good to hear that you've had an enjoyable life, though this is hardly the place to discuss that.

train is off the tracks and it's flying into the pacific ocean

lord help us all

would you like us to talk about jesus, our lord and savior, adhd?

i almost DIDNT want to upload CompMod again because I'm enjoying the drama so much...
actually, I really didnt want to do it...


But I did.

I still don't get how you don't understand that interp and hitreg DOES in fact hold you back as a player. There aren't any "mistakes" on the players part when they aimed perfectly and the game failed to produce accurate results.

When I play any other game you will never hear me complain about "exterior sources" because they are a non-issue. I understand in CS when I get rekt because I miss a shot. You can "feel" and perceive that you missed. In counter-strike you can play instinctual and even in NS1. In NS2 you have to overcompensate for everything. Like how its nearly impossible to 9 round a skulk. You can do it, but theres a very high chance that a shot will no reg, or you shoot at a place on the skulk where the hitboxes are too accurately represented for a game with this kind of performance. I almost always shoot more rounds than I need just because it's the only safe way to guaruntee you will get a kill. If you played like this in any other game those precious fractions of a second are what separates the best players from the average. Despite the games horribly flawed mechanics and performance I still played quite well... perhaps you decide only to notice when I am having a bad round / am intoxicated and playing for leisure? People like to judge their enemies at their worst... not their best. Even when I complain about the game being bad I am often time on the top of the scoreboard in damage and accuracy...

ADHD says

Even when I complain about the game being bad I am often time on the top of the scoreboard in damage and accuracy...

You're talking about pubs right? Because that certainly wasn't the norm in scrims or matches.

Btw.... I heard hit reg is fixed in the next patch.

Again you're making a lot of assumptions, this clearly is going nowhere.

I don't view you as an enemy.

I'm done here.

BauerJankins says

@medi how about you ask someone over pm then instead of posting so much hate

why would I ask what they want the community to do in private? I want them to tell the community. No hate here. Just how I feel about all this.

You must have an awful / selective memory Zefram. Keep spreading lies to make yourself feel better.

Just a side note to support Zefram's legitimacy: He recorded over 200 games and probably spectated hundreds more. If anyone has an idea of how people played during Seasons 1-5 it was him.

gibs

free energy

Locklear says

Just a side note to support Zefram's legitimacy: He recorded over 200 games and probably spectated hundreds more. If anyone has an idea of how people played during Seasons 1-5 it was him.

Did you forget that under those years he became a fucking troll? : )

For memories: i have read those 100s posts, was great fun.

ryssk says

Locklear says

Just a side note to support Zefram's legitimacy: He recorded over 200 games and probably spectated hundreds more. If anyone has an idea of how people played during Seasons 1-5 it was him.

Did you forget that under those years he became a fucking troll? : )

=)

@ADHD
After your multiple walls of text, we got it.
Now please leave us alone as you mentioned nonstop and have a fantastic real life with your boyfriend.
Whats the point of posting all this and still hanging around here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaNt9-QkiHI maybe?

Love you ADHD, thanks for coming back from your awesome life to bless us lesser mortals with your knowledge.

This is pure gold. Thanks for this. Great Read while in work.

PS. Thanks for putting the MODS back up!

@ADHD

When you ask us to get a life

Next step is to correctly license the mods. GPL the mods! Dragon and Mendasp would still be the main developers, would still have all the respect they have, the mods would be as free as they already are, the only exception is, the community would have rights to the mods, instead of them being private.

I'm pretty sure the modders don't in fact want any help by the way... But even if they did, there is no way I can contribute to those two mods. Not because they are private, but because the owners have twice displayed their willingness to remove the mods. So I would be literally giving my work to two guys who without any notice could pull the mods again. So the only way forward in my opinion is to guarantee my work wouldn't be wasted is to open up licesning, and give this mod to the community!

The only power, Dragon and Mendasp would lose in opening up licensing, would be the power to remove their mods. Is that a power they are willing to give up?

Regarding these mods so critical to the game and a message to the developers...

“It is not the failure of others to appreciate your abilities that should trouble you, but rather your failure to appreciate theirs.” -Confucius

"He who learns but does not think, is lost! He who thinks but does not learn is in great danger. -Confucius

Regarding AD's personality...There is no problem.

"...You create the problem in your own head by taking me seriously." I've worked with and have come across so many people in my life, and though many are considered complicated people, about 99.9% of them are okay with me. Others may hate them...I do not. I see them as people with faults...we all have them. You just have to understand people and how they work. Besides, and I'll leave with one last quote. “If you look into your own heart, and you find nothing wrong there, what is there to worry about? What is there to fear?" -Confucius

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/12031212/Scientists-find-link-between-people-impressed-by-wise-sounding-profound-quotes-and-low-intelligence.html

- Bubba

Niitze says

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/12031212/Scientists-find-link-between-people-impressed-by-wise-sounding-profound-quotes-and-low-intelligence.html

love u

zefram read me more poems

People who write on bathroom walls roll their s*** and tiny balls people who read these words of wit eat the tiny balls of s***.

oh...that was UK news btw...no merit. ;)

nebulous says

zefram read me more poems

Only if you remind us of how great you were in a game from a decade ago and tell us how bad everyone in NS2 is.

"There was a man from Nantucket..."

Webtrance says

oh...that was UK news btw...no merit. ;)

If you dont like the news site, you can always read the study straigth from the journal. http://journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf

Btw, this is internet you can actually write "shit" in here.

Reading through all the comments was quite insightfu, ensl article reaching over 130 high quality comments is quite a rare sight.
We have truly shown how amazing the ensl competitive community is and reached highest activity ever!
I'll leave this here just to be part of this historical moment.

Niitze, you're the best.

It's a revival, Grissi... the good ole days are back!

Tbh though, this has been the best thread in months. The fall out of 2 guys clicking buttons and bringing a helpless community to its knees was interesting to watch.

Now we see if all the chattering actually produces any change or if it's back to business as usual.

“The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true.” - Oppenheimer, ADHD, Webtrance, or Bubba... one of these guys said it.

How dare you suggest someone other than Bubba could utter such a profound statement. Shame on you Zefram

"IE9 will change the web forever" -Digital Trends

o/

"lol hypie and golden and locklear just little fags who think there good at this game playing 24/7 and only wanna play together like there married" -tap

god bless u zedfrim

confirmed 24/7 married fag

Put your feelings where your mouse is and start s9 fags

I love this community.

Not even sarcasm. This was amazing.

Lol all this drama xD

skyice says

Put your feelings where your mouse is and start s9 fags

I always got it on my dick, that's the only action i get these days

Good talk

*BUMP*

While we're here I think the site could use some small improvements like showing the date of the last post of the forum threads in the summary on the right, perhaps when hovering (or even if there's new posts since you last read it?).

Also when clicking on comments for news posts like this, we could use some anchoring so we don't have to scroll through 155 comments.

ENSL.org+

Who are you to ask quality of life changes to the ENSL?!

:(

can we get some modders to fix the NSL site please!

Wasnt simple working on the site?
Maybe simple.exe could help to load the site faster and help to aim on the important posts.

Yall need to get ADHD to write some blog posts for the NSL as well. That shit was magical.

Lot of truth to his comments though...

Don't even think about it

HE;LLO

HELLO PHONE

i miss this

good times

LET THIS NOT DIE