Yesterday Hefty and I did cast the official match between Shrek's Haircut and GIEF ROBOT.

You can watch the whole thing here:

http://www.twitch.tv/heftydk/b/582882390

However, let me tell you, that the "interesting" part starts around the 44 minute mark (beginning of third match).

For the people, who are not aware of the situation:

During the Seeding-discussions it was suggested that Shrek's Haircut (and BGR) should be moved to div3, since they are too strong for div4. It was proposed to them to do a seeding match against a div3 team for resolving that issue.

SH declined with the following words by Jibril: "The reason I think we should be placed in div4 cause almost 3guys of the "main" team hardly are playing ns2 at the moment, and we have no teamwork what so ever "

You can see the whole discussion over here (scroll down to 24th September, just below the red comment of Pelargir):

http://www.ensl.org/articles/888

So, for the people who don't want to watch the long version above, what happened yesterday evening?

GIEF ROBOT seemed to be too discontent with the current situation of SH being too strong in div4. Instead of giving SH a fight, they trolled the second map. This can only be interpreted as a boycott.

Obviously this resulted in a lot of discussion (and mud-throwing) in the stream-chat afterwards.

Since it is pointless to discuss that issues in a streams chat, where it will be lost after a few hours, I open this topic.

I would like to discuss a few questions here. I would like to see the discussions hold on general terms, since this kind of situation may rise again or in similar form.

Please discuss how to handle the following things, so that admins have some foundation on which they can base future decissions.

Can a team be forced to play in a higher division?

Obviously you can always give reasons, why you are not fit for a higher division. It's also easy to underperform, to strengthen your point.

How should one handle a team, which was placed in the wrong division?

A team might honestly underestimate themselves and henceforth land in the wrong division. Or they improve much faster, compared to their opponents and dominate the division after a few days already.

On the other side, real life issues might weaken a team suddenly, so that they are not competitive anymore in their current division.

If a team trolls an official match, should there be consequences for them?

Believe it or not, but some casters (like Hefty and me) spend a lot of time and energy into casting a match. We do this to make watching an NS2 match enjoyable for the viewers and give the players a nice stage. Trolling a match is not only "making a point". It can be considered as a lack of sportsmanship. It also wastes the effort of the casters, referees, opponents and viewers.

What is your opinion on this?

Ladder anyone?

Tudy: thanks for bringing this up. Let me add a little to the background and explain it from our point of view.

We have played a PCW against SH before the match last night and they stomped us hard. It was obvious to us that they were way more skilled than the other teams we had met in div 4 and we had no chance at all of winning. After that game they recruited a player that’s way too skilled for div 4 (I saw him merc for a prem div team this season). We and other teams objected and he wasn’t allowed to play for SH. The reaction we got from SH’s leader was things like “Fucking complaining behind my back, go fuck yourselfs’” and “the rest of div 4 can suck my dick”.

As you might understand we felt that playing against SH wasn’t like playing against just any other higher skilled team.

Why didn’t we complain about the seedings before the season started? I recruited the members for GIEF ROBOT and registered the team on the evening of the last day of registration for season 5. I have never played competitive NS2 before and had no idea who SH were so there was no way I could have complained earlier. I do understand the problems with moving teams during the season though.

Last night we decided to try our best to begin with. When that didn’t work (as we expected it wouldn’t) we didn’t want to play more rounds leading to a slow and certain defeat. We meant absolutely no disrespect to the casters, referees or viewers. We just felt that the whole game was pointless by that time.

Wob says

Ladder anyone?

Would be best solution for everyone, little time and effort and something like that could really work.

As for teams in the wrong division we'll, i find it funny that a team that won there div, end up still playin in the same division, why was this allowed? Why was no seeding match forced?

I think before a season starts there should be 2 seeding matches that all teams should play, if the ladder option is not there.

tudy says

If a team trolls an official match, should there be consequences for them?

Believe it or not, but some casters (like Hefty and me) spend a lot of time and energy into casting a match. We do this to make watching an NS2 match enjoyable for the viewers and give the players a nice stage. Trolling a match is not only "making a point". It can be considered as a lack of sportsmanship. It also wastes the effort of the casters, referees, opponents and viewers.

I would like to point out that I mentioned to you a couple of weeks ago that we had been talking about boycotting SH when we played the official, and that there was a strong possibility of us trolling in that game.
I would also like to point out that before the stream I added Hefty as a friend, and then when he didn't accept me quick enough, I went out of my way to make Mephilles get a message to Hefty with a headsup that the match he was about to cast was going to be in no way logical or to be taken serious.

The fact that you're bringin up this boycott as disrespectful to you as a ref and hefty as a streamer would be absolutely valid if this came from nowhere, and we blindsided you. But since we didn't, I would actually highly appreciate if you didn't paint a picture where that seems like the case.

As for SH, I think SupaFred summed up our feelings about this pretty well. I have been in contact with most other teams in Div 4 who feel the same regarding SH, and I tried to do the very few things I could regarding the situation before this match. We had similar points regarding BGR, that they were way too skilled for div 4, but since BGR doesn't make a point of stomping and because they don't BM, we played that match seriously. See the difference?

korobeinikitypea says

We had similar points regarding BGR, that they were way too skilled for div 4, but since BGR doesn't make a point of stomping and because they don't BM, we played that match seriously. See the difference?

We lost 1 round against GIEF, and the remaining 3 rounds also were not easy.

SupaFred says

The reaction we got from SH’s leader was things like “Fucking complaining behind my back, go fuck yourselfs’” and “the rest of div 4 can suck my dick”.

let me guess, Jibril ?

PolskaKielbasa says

We lost 1 round against GIEF, and the remaining 3 rounds also were not easy.

Our match against you was fun. You are better than us but not by a couple of divs.

PolskaKielbasa says

let me guess, Jibril ?

Yes.

I don't mind playing against better teams and I don't mind losing. It's a good way to learn. It's just the stomping I find boring. Where no team gets anything at all from the game.

Too good, move to prime div pls

Isnt Maxamus a Div1 player? (After winning Div2 with GorgeBusters last season)
I watched some rounds of gief and maxamus is carry them hard in my opinion.

But yes, SH is a div3 team.

But i think now its too late to switch the division.

tudy says

If a team trolls an official match, should there be consequences for them?

Believe it or not, but some casters (like Hefty and me) spend a lot of time and energy into casting a match. We do this to make watching an NS2 match enjoyable for the viewers and give the players a nice stage. Trolling a match is not only "making a point". It can be considered as a lack of sportsmanship. It also wastes the effort of the casters, referees, opponents and viewers.

What is your opinion on this?

I guess our team would be perma-banned from ENSl if there were consequences and we troll at div2 level.

dePARA says

Isnt Maxamus a Div1 player? (After winning Div2 with GorgeBusters last season)
I watched some rounds of gief and maxamus is carry them hard in my opinion.

But yes, SH is a div3 team.

But i think now its too late to switch the division.

I was commanding, I play field now, and I didn't play in the match vs BGR or SH,
I can only play 2 times a week at certain times, I am no where near the skill level I was at before,

dePARA says

Isnt Maxamus a Div1 player? (After winning Div2 with GorgeBusters last season)
I watched some rounds of gief and maxamus is carry them hard in my opinion.

But yes, SH is a div3 team.

But i think now its too late to switch the division.

2hrsLater won last Season in Div2. Thanks.

@koro:

As I said in the entry, I would like to see this discussion being general. This thread is not me whining about what has happened. This thread is for discussing the above questions in general, since this kind of things can happen again. And I personally would like to not let it come so far.

I would like to point out that I mentioned to you a couple of weeks ago that we had been talking about boycotting SH when we played the official, and that there was a strong possibility of us trolling in that game.
I would also like to point out that before the stream I added Hefty as a friend, and then when he didn't accept me quick enough, I went out of my way to make Mephilles get a message to Hefty with a headsup that the match he was about to cast was going to be in no way logical or to be taken serious.

Actually, I don't want to discuss that stuff here. The reason is: neither me or Hefty feel that much offended. Casting with Hefty is lots of fun, so I don't regret to have cast yesterday's match.

If you read the entry question carefully you'll see, that I did not talk about GIEF ROBOT in particular, nor about me or Hefty in particular (since there are a lot of casters spending time and energy into casting):

"If a team trolls an official match, should there be consequences for them?

Believe it or not, but some casters (like Hefty and me) spend a lot of time and energy into casting a match. We do this to make watching an NS2 match enjoyable for the viewers and give the players a nice stage. Trolling a match is not only "making a point". It can be considered as a lack of sportsmanship. It also wastes the effort of the casters, referees, opponents and viewers."

It's no coincidence I formulated that paragraph as I did. I kept it general on purpose.

And yes, imo trolling a game for whatever reason is a lack of sprtsmanship. Sportsmanship is a curious thing. It is something you can show or you don't show. It is something you put on yourself, on top of rules, which in contrast are put on yourself by others. It is nothing you can demand from others, or you can trade in.

And yes, trolling a game wastes the effort of the casters, referees, opponents and viewers. There is no doubt about that. How offended one of these groups feels about it is another story. As it is another story, if any of the groups (your opponents in particular) deserve what had been done.

In yesterday's game you decided to troll (parts) of the match to indicate a problem - a problem which obviously is very important to you. You made that decission. Now stand up for it and bear the consequences, if there are any, heads up.

The fact that you're bringin up this boycott as disrespectful to you as a ref and hefty as a streamer would be absolutely valid if this came from nowhere, and we blindsided you. But since we didn't, I would actually highly appreciate if you didn't paint a picture where that seems like the case.

Let me quickly explain how casters are matched to the games. I didn't know either, before we started casting. And you might see those "early warnings" in another angle:

For casters there is a huge table in which you can see the information to the different matches and behind each is a cell, indicating who is casting that match. Whoever writes in his name behind a match first, will cast that match.

If, for whatever reason, the casters jump off a game - especially hours before the game - this is obviously bad practice and henceforth very, very seldomly happens. There might have been 3-4 other casters, who would have enjoyed casting that game, you just jumped off. But by now they might have made different plans or didn't see in time, that the game was suddenly open again. In worst case this results in a game not being casted, although there would have been casters around, who would have actually liked to cast that game.

So this is why, once you have signed up for a cast, you should do whatever possible to also cast that match.

I hope you see, that it is not really an option for casters to spontaneously decline their announced cast, even when they get a message few hours before the game that things might (or might not) become a bit crazy. At that stage it is basically too late already.

And just to repeat it: Don't worry about Hefty or me being offended. Rather let's think about how to avoid future instances.

tudy says

As I said in the entry, I would like to see this discussion being general. This thread is not me whining about what has happened. This thread is for discussing the above questions in general, since this kind of things can happen again. And I personally would like to not let it come so far.

I understand that you want to discuss this in general but a large portion of your post is about our game last night so I think it's only fair that we get to explain it from our point of view.

tudy says

In yesterday's game you decided to troll (parts) of the match to indicate a problem - a problem which obviously is very important to you. You made that decission. Now stand up for it and bear the consequences, if there are any, heads up.

Has anyone suggested that we wouldn't?

We are in this to play NS2 and have fun. I'm as unhappy about the situation as anyone else. I would rather have played a fairly equal team than have last nights game. But to get back to your questions, is this a common problem?

tudy says

@koro:
And just to repeat it: Don't worry about Hefty or me being offended. Rather let's think about how to avoid future instances.

Your original post is level headed and based on a general language, I do agree. But since you bring out this post in light of last night's game and then make a point about how boycotting and trolling is disrespectful towards the refs and casters in general, I wanted to make sure that there was no misconception about us trying to troll you along with Shrek's Haircut, since that was never the case.

And for standing up and dealing with the consequences, I think SupaFred has done a tremendous job explaining our point of view. Which is how we can deal with the consequences. We can explain ourselves and our actions. And since it wasn't really much more to it than what has been previously explained here, I'm not sure whether we're required to do something else to adequately keep our heads up :)

Conclusion: Our aim yesterday was NEVER to create drama, or to make people pissed off. Neither of our team members want drama or focus to be pulled away from the season or the division. The point we brought up with SH not belonging in div 4 has been made, and we just want to continue playing our matches in a serious and proper manner.

It's also sportsmanship to play against similar good opponents.
We played against SH and i'm quite sure they won't loose any more points from now on....
They just don't belong in Div. 4....


Edit: would like to delete the double post, but can't :D

Pelargir says

dePARA says

Isnt Maxamus a Div1 player? (After winning Div2 with GorgeBusters last season)
I watched some rounds of gief and maxamus is carry them hard in my opinion.

But yes, SH is a div3 team.

But i think now its too late to switch the division.

2hrsLater won last Season in Div2. Thanks.

Max was in a really really terrible Div 3 team last season :D

To begin with I would like to address the concerns about my team being too strong for Division 4; in-between season 4 and season 5 PFG had a large reshuffle after our stronger players left to play other games or join different teams (Simple, Zafod and crazy). Naturally the team was a great deal weaker, during this time many of our members took a large break from NS2 and weren’t up to the same level they were at the end of season 4 once we started playing again. Prior to the start of the season we made the decision to recruit new members and change a few roles around in the team resulting in me playing on the field for once and a brand new commander.

We spent a while becoming accustomed to these new members and trying to find a way in which the team can work together effectively, during this time noticed that we were losing to teams that we could previously beat with relative ease. We decided that it would be best for us to go to Division 4 as we clearly had a way to go in terms of teamwork and skill, we practiced when we could due to the fact that certain members have difficult timetables and we improved significantly between the time in which the seedlings were made and the season actually started. Even at the start of the season we lost in pcws vs Tawific (Neoken and the sunshine bus), Tawsome and BGR which made it clear that at that point in time we probably did need to be in Division 4.
When we went into Div 4 we were aware that BGR and our team were probably strongest there but there is the expectation that the other teams in the division would work as hard as they can to bring themselves to a similar level that we are now playing at.

It is true that our new members are continuing to improve and some of us old ‘uns are shaking off the rust and getting to where we were at the end of season 4 (if not better) but that is hardly something that we should apologise for, the amount that you improve is dependent upon how much effort you put into the game. We hardly spend our time tryharding or being serious, to be honest it is the complete opposite as we are here to have fun too and spend most of our time laughing at each other for doing stupid shit.

I think the main thing that many people have to remember is that we are no longer PFG, we have new members and we play differently, asking any team to change division mid-season is absolutely absurd as they have already played rounds and it would only lengthen the duration in which the season is dragged out. If people are unhappy about the skill level of a certain team and there is no way in the world that they can beat them then I can understand why they would complain however I believe that the teams in Div 4 can beat us, BGR have handed our ass to us before and so have Calamity Gaming, ADM almost got us with their lerk rush and there has been many other pcws in which we have lost. We are hardly some all-powerful team that cannot be beaten.

The only way in which seeding problems can be solved is if there is a major rework of the way in which people sign up and determine where they are placed. This would take time and effort and a great deal of editing due to the fact that the skill level of a team can easily fluctuate (with the coming and going of members and on or off days). I like to believe that there will always be someone complaining about something and we recognise that a majority of Div4 are not happy with us being here however they should take it upon themselves to seek advice and improve and eventually beat us to the ground instead of asking the impossible.
In terms of trolling official matches, the general consensus of our team is that it is not acceptable. If you think you are going to lose and are only going to troll for the next round or two, simply forfeit the match. It doesn’t waste the time of the people who took time out of their day to be there (Casters, Referees, Viewers and the opposing team) and it sure as hell stops you from looking like deplorable children who are prolapsing their anus because they weren’t prepared for the official match. IMO there is no need for a punishment for trolling official matches as it is simply pathetic and the teams should have enough respect for each other to not waste another’s time (We are absolute pricks and we still wouldn’t do that on an official match!), being aware of the fact that you are known as “those guys” should be enough to discourage trolling but apparently certain people don’t have the common decency to not engage in such an act.

When it comes to Supafred I can do nothing but laugh as he paints the ensl website with his own faecal matter. Your team admit to trolling on twitch and say how you didn’t want to play the last two rounds, my question is as why you would even bother wasting time if you are not going to put in the effort to even TRY to win and sure the decision of recruiting Zafod was a poor one and he is a higher skill level than us but both Simple and Zafod played for much higher divisions in the middle of season 4 and no one got their panties in a twist like you are right now.
Maybe it is just because you are new to the whole competitive scene and don’t understand that neither admins or the players give a flying fuck about whether or not people in Div 4 are upset because frankly, we are just pub level players most of the time.

I would hardly say we stomped you hard, I have seen worse games where a team can’t even get their natural Rts. Go play div 3 teams or div 2 teams like we have in the past and then you will know what stomping is like and instead of coming out of the match crying come out and think about where you went wrong, everyone can clearly see that you are dependent upon Maxamus for both tactics and combat as he is out of your skill level, bottom div 2 commander coming into div 4 isn’t out of the question but there was a distinctive difference between your matches WITH Maxamus and WITHOUT him.
PS:
Never create a team a few days prior to the start of the season with no idea what you are doing.
Relocates are normally stupid.
Ask your guardian to get you a profanity filter so you can stop crying about dose bad words.
Install Gentoo
We laughed pretty hard when you said we were “a couple of divs stronger”

tl:dr supafred is a faget, free evilbot. #Don’tNeedZafod

I stand 100% for what babbler said.

Babbler says

and sure the decision of recruiting Zafod was a poor one and he is a higher skill level than us but both Simple and Zafod played for much higher divisions in the middle of season 4 and no one got their panties in a twist like you are right now.
Maybe it is just because you are new to the whole competitive scene and don’t understand that neither admins or the players give a flying fuck about whether or not people in Div 4 are upset because frankly, we are just pub level players most of the time.

Just because people do retarded stuff, doesn't mean it's ever okay. We've got the basic rules to negate people with lack of thought not playing against players who are so much lower in skill for a reason, there's literally no point in trying to take a moral high ground just because it's "happened before", other than being a jackass. But i guess we know what your goal was, eh?

@GIEF ROBOT, you could've at least won biodome alien round with basic, it's pretty normal to loose the will to play after loosing rounds but you could have at least tried to take the summit alien round. Never give up.

In other thoughts, yes ladder does sound pretty nice right about now eh.

This topic need more pics and more tl dr

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Tinki says

This topic need more pics and more tl dr

Why the fuck did you let the russians win WITHOUT EVILBOT playing ffs, Tinki !!1111one We gave you 4 points to ensure french domination. And now this?

Babbler says

Go play div 3 teams or div 2 teams like we have in the past and then you will know what stomping is like and instead of coming out of the match crying come out and think about where you went wrong, everyone can clearly see that you are dependent upon Maxamus for both tactics and combat as he is out of your skill level, bottom div 2 commander coming into div 4 isn’t out of the question but there was a distinctive difference between your matches WITH Maxamus and WITHOUT him.

Surprised to read this, sounds pretty mature and well-mannered. You guys did pcw div 2 teams? I remember offering to help the robots out for a few minutes during a pcw because people have been waiting to start. You did refuse to let me play (in a pcw, no official)? What was that about?

Max is a terrible player somedays, everyone knows that. Ask Pelargir.

The lowest division was always meant for new teams with unexperiened players. Since you guys (even if you lost charly) already played for a season and even won that (congrats), you *technically* should have tried to play in a higher division. Would have been fun watching Wonga playing SH.

Div 4 in this case would consist of TAWsome, Egg, SoC,, probably AFB & ADM and GR without Max (he is Irish btw).

About trolling in matches. Did you ever see my team play? Sometimes shit is retarded. Try and adjust to it, RedDog was amazing at this. Try and get excited about it and stop judging. If you feel like your effort is not valued enough you are free to quit the stream and get drunk instead.

Edit: Zafod is bad, too. Everyone knows that. Ask Pelargir.

Maybe it's just my rare oppinion but I think it's useless to moan about questionable seedings in the middle of the season. Take it as it is try your best and have fun, Though always respect your opponents no matter who it is (now I feel like a dick for what I typed in the stream chat...)

Anyway SH or BGR will win div 4 most likely and will also most likely move to div3 in season 6. Until then make the best of it.

And I said before if SH (wait its AH now) is still div 4 next season things will be strange.

imo this is the worst season ive ever seen. Poor seedings, top players joining mid teams half way through a season AGAIN. Hard to organize intercontinental games means going 2 weeks with no match.

http://www.ensl.org/topics/871

like was said here over a year ago and countless times before and since, a proper discussion needs to be had on the format of the ensl. Because this is just a stale mate.

Although shreks haircut have stomped div 4 i cant imagine it was very fulfilling for them. Now by the time the next season comes around i expect they will swap 4 members who get big headed and wanna play div 2 and they will enter div 3 with a new line up and get stomped and this is all the issues with the current ensl format.

I feel like this is a joke. SH hasn't crushed the div4 at all, we pulled a round off them when all of our players had just woken up and hadn't warmed up at all. They've simply got a by from shards who quit and their other 2 matches other than gief were against the worst teams still playing div4, aDm and AFB. I'd reserve judgement on them when they have to play NB and BGR.

I think they're in the right division right now. I mean, if WE can win a couple of rounds against them, they are definitely div 4 material.

First of all i will just make it clear that we didn't feel it was waste of time casting the game GIEF ROBOT vs Shreks Haircut. We're having fun casting and that's why we do it. Some questions did come up while we saw the game and it let to a lot of discussions in the chat by the viewers and us. Now as new casters and not schooled in refereeing a game, tudy and i wanted to make this a general discussion so we hopefulyl can find a solution for Season 6. We all love this game, and we love the NSL tournaments so it's in all best interests to bring the questions here i think.

east says

About trolling in matches. Did you ever see my team play? Sometimes shit is retarded. Try and adjust to it, RedDog was amazing at this. Try and get excited about it and stop judging. If you feel like your effort is not valued enough you are free to quit the stream and get drunk instead.

We found out quite late there wasn't any referee on the game which means one of us casters need to be the referee (atleast that's how it worked in previous games) so with a halfhearted knowledge of refereeing we questioned the rules for "trolling" a match. Yes Koro was kind enough to point out these matches would not be serious, and i also mentioned this before we saw the matches to inform the viewers this might become a bit crazy, though with the referee hat planted on my head i got confused about what is actually allowed in a nsl official match? As mentioned earlier, we don't feel like our time is wasted, it was still funny to watch : )

Now for the rest of the disucssion i would agree with Babbler it might have been better to forfeit the game and perhaps for the fun of it just continue playing. In this way the official match is basicly over and rules no longer apply.
the NSL community is as we all know runned by people who's doing it for free. They have volunteered to administrate everything that's going on in NS2 and NSL and i could imagine it sometimes could be an ungrateful task from time to time. I'm pointing this out because we have to remember this is not a big profitable community as other large game companies has and if we want improvements we have to bare in mind not to demand anything and when it's not happening boycotting the community is not the solution. If we want improvements to Season 6, we need to come with ideas and how to make them possible and i'm sure the good people who's running NSL will take it to consideration.
A ladder system in my oppinion is a very good idea. The players of NS2 is already measured in various parameters as K/D ratio, score, win/loss ratio and so forth. Putting the players in a team and perhaps having history on the team aswell, it should be possible to have an idea where the team should be placed. Of course the decisions need to fall on the administrators in the end. The link Skyice posted; a seamless problem which occured last year posted by Bonkers, do work a little bit more around this idea and i think it could help avoiding what's happening in Division 4 in the future.

I think it's about time for me to post a serious message in there. First off, you don't need a Referee for every official matches (keep in mind that). I do admit that I try to do my best to ensure quality matches by providing both Caster and Referee in general to make sure, in case of troubles, there's at least some recordings as proofs (if Admins have to check them out). Nevertheless, both are enjoyable and wished but not needed. You also have to know (sorry Tudy) that whoever isn't on the Referees List cannot be considered as Referee, there are a lot of casters, which have been promoted as Referees to ease the link between casting and reffing if, for lack of staff, there are a few matches without any Referees, those casters will be able in priority to both cast and ref their matches.

Casters can of course, advice the said teams playing on the server but under no circumstances, are allowed to give final decisions (which didn't happen here anyway). Tudy kindly reported to me the facts and what happened via Steam after the end of the match. That's why I've watched the replay and didn't see anything different that people stated above on this thread.

There are no decisions to take in such trolling and actions. Teams are free to do whatever they want in regard of the strategies and gameplay. It is not the first time it occurs, a few teams usually troll or act in this way and there's nothing to deal with because it is their right to do so. Players, casters and referees can dislike such reactions, it is their right too but why would we make rules or decisions about such trollings? The final outcome of these matches is always the same, rounds lost in disfavor of the trolling team. It also procures some fun to the viewers in general, NS2 is a small community and these actions do not affect those who are watching the stream.

Babbler says

In terms of trolling official matches, the general consensus of our team is that it is not acceptable. If you think you are going to lose and are only going to troll for the next round or two, simply forfeit the match. It doesn’t waste the time of the people who took time out of their day to be there (Casters, Referees, Viewers and the opposing team) and it sure as hell stops you from looking like deplorable children who are prolapsing their anus because they weren’t prepared for the official match. IMO there is no need for a punishment for trolling official matches as it is simply pathetic and the teams should have enough respect for each other to not waste another’s time (We are absolute pricks and we still wouldn’t do that on an official match!), being aware of the fact that you are known as “those guys” should be enough to discourage trolling but apparently certain people don’t have the common decency to not engage in such an act.

Concerning this statement, I truly understand and sounds like a fair and normal thought. Teams are able to forfeit the next rounds and skipping the troll part. Yeah, that is true, but teams that tried to play on the first map and decided to troll the second map knowing that they'll probably lose is an acceptable troll, as long as the troll is a real one and funny enough to make me laugh. Joke aside, a lot of teams decide to troll once they know this is already over. That's not a big deal. If the viewers, casters and the opposing team feel it like a waste of time, you can also leave the stream (which doesn't make sense 'cause watching a troll game is always funny, except if you never laugh), casters have to be used that it is kind of things that can happen, and the opposing team knows they gonna win this anyway, it means free rounds. + in this case, it feels more like a wished troll toward your team, so, looks legit to not simply forfeit the rounds whereas they're able to show how so they're complaining about your team and all that stuff.
Your whole concern could make a lot of sense to me if it was mentioned by another team that usually doesn't troll its opponents. I've watched many of your matches and scrims, you like to use your higher skill level or whatever to troll your opponents when you know they're weaker than you are, don't be amazed so for being trolled by another team, I agree it feels weird the first time, this is like: "wow, is that me or those guys just trolled us? It is unfair, we're the only ones to do that generally." Yeah, that sounds mean, because you're using real concerns while you're doing the exact opposite in your side. You cannot troll everytime and complain about the trolls, guess why.

But anyway, even if the whole thread is appreciated and that's pretty cool to see the thoughts from a lot of teams and players from the competitive community, there's nothing to deal with 'cause this is also part of NS2. And as already said above, punishing trolling would cause so much troubles to a few people and especially StarkeFisherboot team, right PASCOW?

The debate about some seedings matches, issues in divisions and all these concerns should be stated in another thread.